Are you done stocking up?

[rosesense]

Yes, FT is living up to the name instead of slowtech My order from 7/6 was in San Fran on 7/13, should be here early next week at latest.

 

[oplholik]

+ All the vendors has a copy of your invoices in "My Account".

 

[mattiem]

Well, unless you delete your emails - you have receipts for everything you have bought on-line...

and I kept every one of mine. I kept paper copies the first year but tossed them once totaled up. Found out that I had saved about $1,700.00 during that first year by not smoking. That was good enough for me. I have saved even more in each of the other years

 

[Semiretired]

+ All the vendors has a copy of your invoices in "My Account".

I don't know if I could remember all the vendors I have ever used...

 

[mattiem]

I don't know if I could remember all the vendors I have ever used...

Same here and some of them I originally purchased from have changed either their name or their provider and it seems they have lost some of that info. One that I purchased from over a year or so from doesn't show me purchasing from them so I am thinking that they only keep that info for a set amount of time.

 

[Semiretired]

I am thinking that they only keep that info for a set amount of time.

I know I wouldn't be keeping an order by order by customer log - you would need a dedicated server over time - maybe 90 days worth tops...

 

[Eskie]

Yes, FT is living up to the name instead of slowtech My order from 7/6 was in San Fran on 7/13, should be here early next week at latest.

FT does seem to be on the ball of late. I placed two orders, one July 5th, the other on the 8th, and they arrived together today. I'm happy.

 

[Alien Traveler]

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[Alien Traveler]

It not just the taxes for newly bought merchandise....they want to come after individuals in possession of vape supplies, and if you can't prove you already paid tax on it, it becomes a criminal offense.
YIKES!!!

What you heard was from provaping activist. Unfortunately they often falsify information - the same way ANTZ is doing. Activists should be avoided when information is important.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

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What you heard was from provaping activist. Unfortunately they often falsify information - the same way ANTZ is doing. Activists should be avoided when information is important.

WEll, ok. But info was taken from here at ecf from olivers thread here
CALL TO ACTION! - Pennsylvania: 40% tax = game over for vape
and what I quoted was posted by Azure vaping also on that same thread. So, ecf is guilty as we all are of being activists.......

 

[Alien Traveler]

WEll, ok. But info was taken from here at ecf from olivers thread here
CALL TO ACTION! - Pennsylvania: 40% tax = game over for vape
and what I quoted was posted by Azure vaping also on that same thread. So, ecf is guilty as we all are of being activists.......

No, ECF is not guilty. We all are not guilty. But some are.

 

[williamclarkonet]

I hope you are correct. But, that is not how Azure is reading it as evidenced here.
CALL TO ACTION! - Pennsylvania: 40% tax = game over for vape


In fact, even supplies that you have in your own possession in PA, regardless of when you bought them, may be covered:

Section 1207-A. Sales or possession of tobacco product when tax
not paid.
(a) Sales or possession.--Any person who sells or possesses
any tobacco product for which the proper tax has not been paid
commits a summary offense and shall, upon conviction, be
sentenced to pay costs of prosecution and a fine of not less
than $100 nor more than $1,000 or to imprisonment for not more
than 60 days, or both, at the discretion of the court. Any
tobacco products purchased from a wholesaler properly licensed
under this article shall be presumed to have the proper taxes
paid.
(b) Tax evasion.--Any person that shall falsely or
fraudulently, maliciously, intentionally or willfully with
intent to evade the payment of the tax imposed by this article
sells or possesses any tobacco product for which the proper tax
has not been paid commits a felony and shall, upon conviction,
be sentenced to pay costs of prosecution and a fine of not more
than $5,000 or to imprisonment for not more than five years, or
both, at the discretion of the court.

So, if you're walking around with a bottle of juice you've had for years, or DIY? Apparently, it's up to a 5 year prison sentence.

So lets say you CAN find a vendor who meets all criteria, and you get some liquid from them, paying a price that'll cover the extra taxes... wait, you lost the receipt??

Section 1214-A. Failure to furnish information, returning false
information or failure to permit inspection.
(a) Penalty.--Any taxpayer who fails to keep or make any
record, return, report, inventory or statement, or keeps or
makes any false or fraudulent record, return, report, inventory
or statement required by this article commits a misdemeanor and
shall, upon conviction, be sentenced to pay costs of prosecution
and a fine of $500 and to imprisonment for not more than one
year, or both, at the discretion of the court.

Prison time, again. It should say retailer, or wholesaler, but it doesn't. This entire section of law makes it clear that these rules all apply to individual persons as well, not just the businesses or their representatives.

"Unclassified importer." A consumer who purchases tobacco
products using the Internet or mail order catalogs for personal
possession or use in this Commonwealth from persons that are not
licensed.
...
1202-A (c) Unclassified importer.--The tax is imposed on an
unclassified importer at the time of purchase at the same rate
as in subsections (a) and (a.1) based on the unclassified
importer's purchase price of the tobacco products. The
unclassified importer shall remit the tax to the department

this is so scary!!!

 

[Alien Traveler]

this is so scary!!!

No, not so scary. But much more expensive and inconvenient. What you read was greatly exaggerated (at best), as if 40% taxation and a lot of inconvenience was not enough.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

No, ECF is not guilty. We all are not guilty. But some are.

Then why aren't you over it that thread harassing those who originally wrote it? I am sure Oliver would love that.

 

[grandmato5]

No consumers in PA will be liable for the 40% tax on vape stuff pruchased prior to the date the law actually goes into effect. BUT going forward one would have to prove you purchased the stuff prior to the date the new tax goes into effect only "if questioned". Not likely they are going to go around stopping people on the street that are vaping and ask for "proof" of exactly when it was purchased so its not something that I as a consumer would be worried about but technically it could happen. Like Semi said, if purchased on line and that vendor is still in business, you have receipts for what you purchased.

I am presuming PA is the same as NY (yes I know presuming is never a good idea ) and likely many other states but when you purchase something via the internet and pay no sales tax that doesn't mean you don't OWE your state sales tax on that purchase. In NY we are suppose to add sales tax we didnt pay at time of purchase to our NYS tax form each year. We are required to enter a zero on the line if we are not declaring any to show we did recognize we are suppose to. This is where, even if one can prove they purchased the vape stuff prior to the date of the new tax a consumer would still be liable for taxes after the fact, but only the normal sales tax rate and penalty for not having declared earlier when they should have on the state tax return, not the new 40%. In NY and probably many other states this has been in effect for quite a while, nothing new its just ignored by most people.

In NY a few years ago they did suboena online cigarette sellers for their customer records and then go after people in NY for tax money who purchased cigarettes online to avoid NYS cigarettes taxes. The taxes were in effect when they purchased, the people had just chosen to avoid paying them by purchasing online.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Then why aren't you over it that thread harassing those who originally wrote it? I am sure Oliver would love that.

Harassing?
And I have no intentions to participate in the thread you gave link to.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Harassing?
And I have no intentions to participate in the thread you gave link to.

Harassment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Cari]

No, not so scary. But much more expensive and inconvenient. What you read was greatly exaggerated (at best), as if 40% taxation and a lot of inconvenience was not enough.

Scary for some, not so scary for others. For me it is definitely SCARY. Just the beginning we have all been bracing for.

 

[ScandaLeX]

WEll, ok. But info was taken from here at ecf from olivers thread here
CALL TO ACTION! - Pennsylvania: 40% tax = game over for vape
and what I quoted was posted by Azure vaping also on that same thread. So, ecf is guilty as we all are of being activists.......

Memory lane. Azure was the 2nd vendor I bought juice from when I started vaping......but it sucked in comparison to other juices. Damn shame cause the price was cheap.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Memory lane. Azure was the 2nd vendor I bought juice from when I started vaping......but it sucked in comparison to other juices. Damn shame cause the price was cheap.

I guess I lucked out. The only thing I ever got from them was the Almond Macaroon. And it is quite tasty. Now that I diy, I just bought some of that flavor from them.