I hadn't thought about the commercial folks. There are thousands of shops but millions of vaper consumers. Somehow I imagined those consumers would get on the move, silly me. A big part of the hobby for me has been figuring out how to make sure I can keep vaping. That would describe a lot of us but may be still a small minority. It's seemed obvious to me that anybody who plans to be a lifelong vaper is going to be mixing and rebuilding eventually.
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Agreed.. Technically I have way more than enough nicotine..but decided to pad my nicsalt stash.. And I wanted to see the place. From Google street view it didn't look very big.. But I had to ask to use their bathroom.. Wow.. Quite a bit more behind the front desk area.
So I emailed Kanger wholesale about the Wismec flash sale that wasn't and I'll just give you the full text since it's super short.
Me:
I clicked on this email immediately after receiving it and did not see any of these prices. What's the deal?
Mike from Kangerwholesale:
Please place your order and we will adjust your invoice .
Umm yeah, no. Not happening bud, despite my many successful orders with your company. Just added a Luxotic to my cart and proceeded pretty far into the checkout system. Still lists $27, not $5. I'm not taking any chances and don't even want the mod but if anyone else was dying for a $5 luxotic you MIGHT be able to get one. I'd email first.
Me:
I clicked on this email immediately after receiving it and did not see any of these prices. What's the deal?
Mike from Kangerwholesale:
Please place your order and we will adjust your invoice .
Umm yeah, no. Not happening bud, despite my many successful orders with your company. Just added a Luxotic to my cart and proceeded pretty far into the checkout system. Still lists $27, not $5. I'm not taking any chances and don't even want the mod but if anyone else was dying for a $5 luxotic you MIGHT be able to get one. I'd email first.
I’m buying my nephew a fedora hat! BOOM! He’ll love it. 
I've been telling my sister-in-law about what's going on with the vape hate, flavor ban and deeming and I told her yesterday about the Heartland sale on nic. She said she didn't think much was going to happen because now everyone knows that it wasn't vape that made all those people sick. I explained to her about the Deeming and the bills in Congress that will drastically change or eliminate the way we are able to vape, but she just doesn't take it seriously. I think there are a lot of vapers like her out there. I am very happy I have my lifetime supply of nic and a bunch of hardware stockpiled!
We are the small minority. The vast majority have no idea ECF or really any vape sites exist. They go to their convenience store or local vape shop and buy a pack of pods or a bottle of juice and coil. They do not know the ins and outs of vaping. Probably have no idea that it is possible to DIY or build coils. They likely are blissfully ignorant of what is coming down the pipe.
Heck even on ECF pre 2016 drop dead date I was ridiculed for my talking about the vapocalypse. Even more after we got a reprieve. Many even on ECF now refuse to see that it is inevitable now. They think surely my government won't screw me that way.
I treat it the same as regular nic..3-6mg randomly
Does Element Vape have a coupon code?
Has anyone had bad/good experiences with them???
(sorry if you already saw this in the Shinitis thread... I know some people don’t frequent there)
Has anyone had bad/good experiences with them???
(sorry if you already saw this in the Shinitis thread... I know some people don’t frequent there)
You might like the Vapefly Holic RDA. It adjusts from very tight MTL to a more open MTL with a maximum 2.0 millimeter airflow. Lots of positive reviews, I have one and they are well made and excellent.
Fasttech has them, but they are cheaper at other China vendors.
$26.99 Authentic Vapefly Holic MTL RDA Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer - stainless steel / 22.2mm diameter at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
Cheaper here--- Vapefly Holic MTL RDA - 22ml
I do not have a current code but I have dealt with Element Vape MANY times and they have always bee great.
@sofarsogood
Not to sound like a pompous rear end of a donkey, but likely 75% of the vapers in WA had no idea about a flavor ban until they couldn’t get their liquid from the store. I saw the young man working my old shop tell three clients in a row about the ban, as they systematically asked “so I can’t get my juice anymore?”
Because, and I wholeheartedly believe this, the “average vaper” isn’t even that guy with the neck tats and stretched earlobes (just a stereotype I’m referencing, and without judgement coming from any opinion I might hold), but instead is that regular ole Joe or Jane work-a-day person who just happens to be an ex-smoker who now happens to vape.
I mean, these are folks who need help when their coil leaks. Can’t get the cap to unscrew. Don’t know what to do when their mod stops reading the tank. Doesn’t know that they accidentally clicked the fire button five times and turned the thing off and come in in a panic because they think their mod is broken.
I’m not saying these folks are stupid. I’m saying these folks have come to rely so much on their local shops in between rushing to their blue-collar jobs and trying to maintain their family lives that vaping is just a small part of that life, and suddenly it’s gone and they didn’t see it coming.
Do you know how many petitions (worthless or not) I couldn’t even get people to sign to protect vaping? How eyes glazed over when I’d tell them about a bill about to enter state legislature for a vote? Folks working a day don’t want to hear about that stuff. Half the time, for a few years there, these bills would fail because the legislative session would run out of time and nothing would change. So no one took any of it seriously.
And to be even more cynical about it. To a lot of folks, May may as well be in ten years. They’ve got other things to worry about, and don’t worry, government is slow, is only good for taxing people, nothing will change. Even Trump backed off the flavor ban (this is in conversation; not my own opinion of this issue). Nothing is going to change.
People otherwise not helpless to earn a living, get dressed by themselves, and have decent common sense are not generally going to be terribly motivated by some long-awaited “PMTA” - if they even know it exists. *This* is why, IMO, for a lot of folks, going back to smoking is just going to be easier than stocking up on nicotine to mix it with other ingredients they don’t even know they can source on Amazon. It’s like alchemy to them.
I hate to sound so cynical about this issue. But, yeah, some of it is a sense of “helplessness” in that it is “too much work” to DIY. And I do feel a little condensation toward people who assert they will “just go back to smoking” and throw their hands up because suddenly going to the store won’t be how they can vape. It’s not those who know they can DIY but choose not to who I feel bad for; that is their choice. It’s those who don’t know it’s even within the realm of possibility to DIY that are the ones I feel bad for, and I’d have to say that it is very possible that is the majority.
just my opinion, and I mean no offense to any single group nor do I think I am “superior” to anyone not stocking up. Just my observations having dealt with the vaping public for so long.
Not to sound like a pompous rear end of a donkey, but likely 75% of the vapers in WA had no idea about a flavor ban until they couldn’t get their liquid from the store. I saw the young man working my old shop tell three clients in a row about the ban, as they systematically asked “so I can’t get my juice anymore?”
Because, and I wholeheartedly believe this, the “average vaper” isn’t even that guy with the neck tats and stretched earlobes (just a stereotype I’m referencing, and without judgement coming from any opinion I might hold), but instead is that regular ole Joe or Jane work-a-day person who just happens to be an ex-smoker who now happens to vape.
I mean, these are folks who need help when their coil leaks. Can’t get the cap to unscrew. Don’t know what to do when their mod stops reading the tank. Doesn’t know that they accidentally clicked the fire button five times and turned the thing off and come in in a panic because they think their mod is broken.
I’m not saying these folks are stupid. I’m saying these folks have come to rely so much on their local shops in between rushing to their blue-collar jobs and trying to maintain their family lives that vaping is just a small part of that life, and suddenly it’s gone and they didn’t see it coming.
Do you know how many petitions (worthless or not) I couldn’t even get people to sign to protect vaping? How eyes glazed over when I’d tell them about a bill about to enter state legislature for a vote? Folks working a day don’t want to hear about that stuff. Half the time, for a few years there, these bills would fail because the legislative session would run out of time and nothing would change. So no one took any of it seriously.
And to be even more cynical about it. To a lot of folks, May may as well be in ten years. They’ve got other things to worry about, and don’t worry, government is slow, is only good for taxing people, nothing will change. Even Trump backed off the flavor ban (this is in conversation; not my own opinion of this issue). Nothing is going to change.
People otherwise not helpless to earn a living, get dressed by themselves, and have decent common sense are not generally going to be terribly motivated by some long-awaited “PMTA” - if they even know it exists. *This* is why, IMO, for a lot of folks, going back to smoking is just going to be easier than stocking up on nicotine to mix it with other ingredients they don’t even know they can source on Amazon. It’s like alchemy to them.
I hate to sound so cynical about this issue. But, yeah, some of it is a sense of “helplessness” in that it is “too much work” to DIY. And I do feel a little condensation toward people who assert they will “just go back to smoking” and throw their hands up because suddenly going to the store won’t be how they can vape. It’s not those who know they can DIY but choose not to who I feel bad for; that is their choice. It’s those who don’t know it’s even within the realm of possibility to DIY that are the ones I feel bad for, and I’d have to say that it is very possible that is the majority.
just my opinion, and I mean no offense to any single group nor do I think I am “superior” to anyone not stocking up. Just my observations having dealt with the vaping public for so long.
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That's the nic tasting peppery. You could try a drop of Vape Wizard, it smooths out a vape.SMH . . .
Maybe "harsh" is the wrong word, but the fact is, all I've ever added to unflavored is Koolada & Menthol Crystal Liquid . . . It usually has what I consider a TRUE menthol taste, however in the past few days it is leaving a lot more "Throat Hit" then I like . . . Really do not want to add any "flavors" - nor "Sweeteners (not good for diabetics) . . . Just something that might take the edge off . . .
EDiT: It has recently become - what might be considered a more "Peppery" after taste . . .
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Gift card???I’m down to buying two Christmas gifts for family from me, and one for Mom (until she decides she needs more). Almost done. Men are hard to buy for! Ugh. I have a 21 year old nephew that is impossible. He’s artsy fartsy, he models and is into fashion, a college student, living with friends. Impossible to buy for. I’m clueless. Guess I better go look around for something. When you google gifts for men they are about drinking, farting, bacon, and sex.I wonder why that is.
On another note (after my tirade 
) I received my Wotofo Serpent Elevate in gold today. Wotofo website has quick shipping. Into the stash it goes.
) I received my Wotofo Serpent Elevate in gold today. Wotofo website has quick shipping. Into the stash it goes.
I do those for birthdays but I give gifts for Christmas. I just finished my Christmas shopping!
Just need to help Mom pick up a couple more. Wrapping this weekend.
Many people don't plan for a total ban/prohibition situation like we are facing right now, vapers included. They live day-to-day hoping for the best, ignoring the signals of change. Considering the long-term is overwhelming, and most just can't deal with it. It breaks their concept of how things work, so they dismiss it in order to maintain the illusion that 'everything is alright'.
The powers in charge want compliance, a lack of strong resistance to what they order their subjects to do. And they'll get it from most people, that's why it works so well, and also why they aren't afraid of destroying vaping. We are insignificant in their minds, I know we've changed perceptions alot in the recent past, but it looks like it's not enough yet to stop them from steam rolling vaping, at least in the short-term.
In the long-term, I believe vaping is here to stay. It's not a fad, it has a significant value for smoking cessation, and there's evidence that this is true (even though it's being denied, misrepresented, and demonized).
Fight, and don't give up, there's still a chance we can turn this around. But stock up, stock up now. It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
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And also, @Astron is awesome, just saying
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