Are you done stocking up?

[sofarsogood]

So I wonder what the recommended mg of nic is to fight off covid-19

I've read the people doing the research plan to figure out dosing. Not clear too me how they would do that. My guess is a never smoker is fine on a lower dose than a smoker. I also wonder if it would still be effective to wait for symptoms unless someone is high risk or front line. If people have to maintain a patch all the time there won't be enough patches unless the virus just goes away.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

I've read the people doing the research plan to figure out dosing. Not clear too me how they would do that. My guess is a never smoker is fine on a lower dose than a smoker. I also wonder if it would still be effective to wait for symptoms unless someone is high risk or front line. If people have to maintain a patch all the time there won't be enough patches unless the virus just goes away.

I don't know....I've got a feeling they're barking up the wrong tree. When I first started reading about smokers contracting it less, I never thought it was nicotine. My first thought was that smoking itself created an inhospitable environment for the virus in the air passages. And that vaping may or may not give the same benefit.

Of course, at that time, I hadn't heard anything about nic blocking receptors covid uses. It'll be interesting to see what comes of this, though. Some of us may have freezers full of Corona-killer.

 

[vaper1960]

Why are they searching your trunk without a warrant? Or why the hell did you give them permission to search you trunk? That's the first and second things your lawyer would ask you.

Federal national park... you have no rights basically. There was no reason at all to search my vehicle. They targeted employees who worked in the park (said they heard some were dealing drugs) Total BS...

 

[vaper1960]

A variety of things come up positive for a variety of different drugs. When you hear stories about the police testing donut frosting and it coming up as methamphetamine it's an accurate story it's not a lie, it does... it can. there's nothing special about donut frosting it's just that the test is so poor. It would be better for the cops to just lick the substance and say what it might be LOL of course that's not exactly scientific but a variety of different items came up positive for things that they most certainly were not and had never come in contact with.

I all the old TV shows, the cops tasted the drugs LOL Then they would say "yep, it H*ro*n"

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Federal national park... you have no rights basically. There was no reason at all to search my vehicle. They targeted employees who worked in the park (said they heard some were dealing drugs) Total BS...

Huh? I'm no constitutional scholar, but how is it you give up your rights by being in or being employed by a national park?

 

[vaper1960]

If the Rangers suspect you are a "threat to national security" they think they can go "patriot act" on you. I'm not saying they legally can, but some of the newer/younger one's think they can.
BTW, I was not employed by the National Park, just vacation rentals within the park.

 

[fiddleshe]

If the Rangers suspect you are a "threat to national security" they think they can go "patriot act" on you. I'm not saying they legally can, but some of the newer/younger one's think they can.
BTW, I was not employed by the National Park, just vacation rentals within the park.

I took a year of constitutional law in college. I can tell you its unconstitutional....well it was pre-patriot act when I went to college. Lol The Patriot Act screwed a lot of people, mostly Americans, out of their rights. Thanks Bush.

 

[bnrkwest]

Here's another scientific article about nicotine and covid-19. The problem with Covid -19 is at attaches to ACE2 receptors and nicotine can help block that. Re: Helen Salisbury: What might we learn from the covid-19 pandemic?

 

[Territoo]

Here's another scientific article about nicotine and covid-19. The problem with Covid -19 is at attaches to ACE2 receptors and nicotine can help block that. Re: Helen Salisbury: What might we learn from the covid-19 pandemic?

So not only should we be vaping, if you have high blood pressure, your best bet is an ACE inhibitor or an A2 blocker.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

The problem with Covid -19 is at attaches to ACE2 receptors and nicotine can help block that

So not only should we be vaping, if you have high blood pressure, your best bet is an ACE inhibitor or an A2 blocker.

So then why would they waste their time and resources studying nicotine as an ACE blocker to treat COVID-19 patients when ACE inhibitors/A2 blockers already exist? Hospitals and pharmacies already have these drugs in-stock.

 

[DavidOck]

Because, in their eyes, nic is BAD.

 

[JCinFLA]

Decided to post this here for those who don't know about or check the Bargain Bin thread.

If you like/use the Zenith and/or Zlide tanks...and might need more coils....

The vendor below has finally gotten more of the Zenith coils. I called before ordering what I planned to order, to find out if the 1.6ohm were as shown in the picture...(as being the original Zenith coils and not the Z-coils). Was told, yes, they are the original ones!

As of right now they have (286) boxes of the 0.5ohm-Plexus coils, (378) boxes of the 0.8ohm coils, and (336) boxes of the 1.6ohm coils. They're $6.10/box of 5! S/H is a minimum of $9.99, but Free S/H kicks in at $75 purchase or more. You'd hit that by buying 13 boxes of coils or fewer boxes plus some other things from their website. They do have some super prices on things in their Vape Deals section, too!

Innokin Zenith Replacement Coil - 5PK

If you don't already have an account with them, you'll need to register for one before prices will show up and you can buy things. Anyone can have an individual regular account. You don't have to be a commercial customer...I'm not, and I've been buying from them for several years now.

 

[englishmick]

Huh? I'm no constitutional scholar, but how is it you give up your rights by being in or being employed by a national park?

No idea about rights either. But it's like any time you get stopped by someone with a uniform and a gun. Go along or you might get shot or charged with resisting. And complaining afterwards is a waste of time because it's your word against theirs, unless there is someone there recording it on a cellphone which probably won't be the case in a park. Catch 22.

Back in the early 70's I worked at Heathrow Airport. I was working on the Customs and Excise computer system on contract. Customs had jurisdiction on the airport, cops had jurisdiction outside. They got along fine mostly, but one day Customs stopped a cop car inside the airport for speeding and found confiscated booze in his car and charged him.

The cops were furious. Over the next few weeks they stopped customs people leaving the airport and searched their cars, customs retaliated by stopping cops who went into the airport. In the end they had to bring in the national police and customs bosses and union bosses on both sides, with a government minister to arbitrate a peace treaty. The charges against the original cop were dropped and all the bogus charges both sides had brought in the aftermath. We all thought it was hilarious. The computer was located just outside the airport and we weren't actually working for Customs so we weren't in the firing line.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Because, in their eyes, nic is BAD.

Was that in response to my question? If it was, then it doesn't jive with their willingness to try to make nicotine look good.

 

[englishmick]

So then why would they waste their time and resources studying nicotine as an ACE blocker to treat COVID-19 patients when ACE inhibitors/A2 blockers already exist? Hospitals and pharmacies already have these drugs in-stock.

So you are saying they already have proven drugs which will do what nicotine is now claimed to be doing?

I guess we will find out more as they start to understand this stuff.

 

[Territoo]

So then why would they waste their time and resources studying nicotine as an ACE blocker to treat COVID-19 patients when ACE inhibitors/A2 blockers already exist? Hospitals and pharmacies already have these drugs.

As I read the article, and others, nicotine doesn't block the ACE receptors. It down regulates them, i.e. causes there to be fewer of them. Fewer ACE receptors mean fewer sites that the coronavirus has to attack. An ACE inhibitor blocks the receptors that are present.

Think of the virus as an evil intruder and those spikes are its keys to your doors. An ACE inhibitor is like one of those door locks that landlords put on the door to keep the key from being used. Nicotine is like bricking up the doors so they no longer exist. Each one is helpful, but used together they're more powerful. Plus, the effects of ACE inhibitors on blood pressure limits the dose in those without hypertension. Nicotine's addiction potential is a drawback for it. You are going to have nonsmokers addicted to gum and lozenges.

 

[440BB]

I consider my nicotine habit to be most like my coffee habit.

Imagine if they found caffeine was down regulating ACE 2.

Coffee would be given an entirely different reception and would be used universally!

 

[DavidOck]

Was that in response to my question? If it was, then it doesn't jive with their willingness to try to make nicotine look good.

Yes. And they're not (well, hardly) talking about it here. In spite of the TPD, most of Europe is a lot less anti-vape than here. Testing the patch only in France, afaik. CDC and FDA are not. Nic, bad. In their eyes.

 

[Uncle]

Surely deserves to be repeated . . . .

Well - Once again, the "Savvy Vape Lady" - @JCinFLA, has struck again . . .


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[Javichu]

Yes. And they're not (well, hardly) talking about it here. In spite of the TPD, most of Europe is a lot less anti-vape than here. Testing the patch only in France, afaik. CDC and FDA are not. Nic, bad. In their eyes.

You're right about Europe being a lot less anti-vape but i can see it only getting worse in the future.
More and more people vape and that would means less revenue from the sales of cigarettes,once difference become more noticeable they will take some action against vapers.

The way i see it and i wrote a lengthy post about it somewhere but now i can't remember where,but anyway to sum up they wont put ''cigarette'' type tax on vg,pg or the mods itself.
When they decide to tax the heck out of us i'm willing to bet they will over tax the nicotine we use,they cant over tax the mods itself,pg and vg have several other uses apart from e-liquid so the only thing left is nicotine itself.

Wont happen now but i can see it coming,once vaping gets bigger and bigger it will reach a point that the government will want a piece of the pie.