Are you done stocking up?

[UncLeJunkLe]

What I dread with all these hesitant restrictions / bans they make against the vapers, is the availability of juice & nic in the future.

Being in Europe, you may not really have the same issues we do in the USA when it comes to nicotine base and juice. But I honestly don;t know much about the vape situation in EU. Just going by what I see, and it seems largely positive.

However, if you feel differently, it may be time for you to start stocking that nic and putting the hardware on the backburner if you already have a decent stash.

 

[Tor R]

Being in Europe, you may not really have the same issues we do in the USA when it comes to nicotine base and juice. But I honestly don;t know much about the vape situation in EU. Just going by what I see, and it seems largely positive.

However, if you feel differently, it may be time for you to start stocking that nic and putting the hardware on the backburner if you already have a decent stash.

There is no indication that 2021 will be a difficult year here in Europe. We also have the UK doing the exact opposite of the US.
But what's happening in the United States affects us all, it's actually the largest market, and it's something we'll all notice.
My plan for the year is to stock up on flavor & nic.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

My plan for the year is to stock up on flavor & nic.

Some of the flavor brands we use for DIY have been in business selling flavoring well before vaping was a thing. I wouldn't waste any money or effort stocking up on flavoring. All it's going to do is drain your wallet and take up space in the freezer that could be used to store nicotine base.

 

[Tor R]

Some of the flavor brands we use for DIY have been in business selling flavoring well before vaping was a thing. I wouldn't waste any money or effort stocking up on flavoring. All it's going to do is drain your wallet and take up space in the freezer that could be used to store nicotine base.

It is not allowed to sell nic yet in Norway, it was supposed to be done legally but then came Covid.
It may be that the law comes in Norway this year, if not it is legal to import nic from Sweden. But yes, nic is listed as pri 1 on my list.

 

[JCinFLA]

At "room temperature" or warmer, chemicals from LDPE bottles will in fact leach into your juice and make you feel sick. In fact, i think putting it in glass would be your best bet, then transfer to plastic (if you prefer plastic like I do).

I can't say anything for HDPE or PET, but I wouldn't chance it.

You may want to check the info. at the link below, and/or others with information on the various plastics. Containers with any of these numbers on the bottom, have no known health risks associated with their use: 1 (PET), 2 (HDPE), 4 (LDPE), or 5 (PP).

Are Your Plastic Water Bottles and Meal Prep Containers Safe to Use? | Livestrong.com

That's just 1 site, but there are many others, too, with info. in agreement with the above site.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

You may want to check the info. at the link below, and/or others with information on the various plastics. Containers with any of these numbers on the bottom, have no known health risks associated with their use: 1 (PET), 2 (HDPE), 4 (LDPE), or 5 (PP).

Are Your Plastic Water Bottles and Meal Prep Containers Safe to Use? | Livestrong.com

That's just 1 site, but there are many others, too, with info. in agreement with the above site.

But I'm just going on what I experienced. I found the post I made a few months ago.

 

[Vapeon4Life]

Then I actually decided to smell the juice and sure enough it had that same smell I was tasting.

So I threw the bottle out and had to clean and rebuild that RTA.

I believe it was obvious that leeching had occurred. Was is the nic that caused it or would this have happened even if it was 0 nic juice? I don't know the answer to that.

One other possibility to consider - Aren't a good part of vape juices made from organic substances ? - And don't all organic substance go bad after awhile ???
{even canned food kept in a vacuum has a limited shelf life}. So is it possible that is why it went bad ?

Also, you had mentioned freezing - doesn't the freezing do something to the flavor after you thaw it out ? And, if you freeze in a glass bottle aren't the glass bottles prone to crack sometimes due to expansion of liquids when frozen ?

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

One other possibility to consider - Aren't a good part of vape juices made from organic substances ? - And don't all organic substance go bad after awhile ???
{even canned food kept in a vacuum has a limited shelf life}. So is it possible that is why it went bad ?

Also, you had mentioned freezing - doesn't the freezing do something to the flavor after you thaw it out ? And, if you freeze in a glass bottle aren't the glass bottles prone to crack sometimes do to expansion of liquids when frozen ?

Yes, anything is possible. But that taste of the juice and the fact that it made me sick made me think it was chemicals from the plastic bottle. Even if LDPE is technically "food safe", I doubt any of those studies tested it with nic. Besides, these cheap eliquid bottles, who knows what they are really made from. Regardless, I'll err on the side of caution and I don't trust plastic for long term storage of anything, really.

PG & VG don't freeze at the temps our home freezers reach. Here's a page I found on a UK retailer's site about freezing eliquid. Does E Juice Freeze | AquaVape UK

For the most part, glass jars and bottles break in the freezer because what's in them freezes solid and expands, causing the glass to crack (this can happen even if you leave plenty of head space, I found that out the hard way). However, it is possible for glass to break just by freezing it, but it's not very likely assuming the glass is not put in the freezer when it's warm/hot or thawed quickly.

 

[Rossum]

How long will pre-mixed vape juice 'usually' last in a sealed unopened container ???

My experience is that it very much depends on the flavorings (and possibly sweetners) used. I've had store-bought juices that got pretty gross in less than a year (at room temperature) and others that seem to stay decent more-or-less indefinitely.

Is it better to freeze and/or refrigerate it ???

With flavored juice, the fridge is probably the safest compromise.

How long will the batteries usually last when used, and what is the shelf life of the batteries if I just keep it in the box and haven't used it yet ? Another words If I buy a smok pen now and just let it sit, will it be good to go 5 years from now, or will the battery have gone bad by then ???

Charge/discharge cycles are what degrade batteries the most, so if you're using them, you'll eventually wear them out. Batteries will last many years if they're stored at 40-50% charge. How many? I do not know. I can tell you that I'm still vaping some VTC5s that were made in January of 2014 and they still test at ~90% of their rated 2600 mAh.

Do not store your batteries fully charged; that will degrade them somewhat faster. Also cool temperatures help. Some people will argue with me, but I've got actual test data that indicates refrigerator temps are beneficial compared to room temperature. The jury is out on keeping them in the freezer. Freezer temps did slightly better in terms of capacity loss, but slightly worse in terms of internal resistance increase over the space of one year. This experiment is ongoing and should continue for some years.

 

[Rossum]

For the most part, glass jars and bottles break in the freezer because what's in them freezes solid and expands, causing the glass to crack

Sure, but that's not a problem with e-liquid or nic base; they do not freeze solid and their volume actually shrinks at freezer temperatures.

However, it is possible for glass to break just by freezing it,

What causes this is thermal shock; i.e. very rapid temperature changes. If you're worried about that, put your bottles in the fridge overnight before moving them to the freezer.

I like glass for my liquids and base. in 7 years now, I've never had one break, and I don't bother with the intermediate step in the fridge either.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Do not store your batteries fully charged; that will degrade them somewhat faster.

I know this is true for LiIon batts, but does this rule apply to LiPo batteries (which I assume most or all integrated mods use)?

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

What causes this is thermal shock; i.e. very rapid temperature changes. If you're worried about that, put your bottles in the fridge overnight before moving them to the freezer.

Before I made that post I did a quick net search and found that glass jars (even empty ones) can crack in the freezer if it's not tempered glass because if tiny air bubbles in the glass expanding/contracting. Not saying it's true, just saying what I read. However, from what I gathered it's not a huge concern.

 

[Rossum]

I know this is true for LiIon batts, but does this rule apply to LiPo batteries (which I assume most or all integrated mods use)?

I believe so. The chemistry is not much different.

 

[zoiDman]

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For the most part, glass jars and bottles break in the freezer because what's in them freezes solid and expands, causing the glass to crack (this can happen even if you leave plenty of head space, I found that out the hard way). However, it is possible for glass to break just by freezing it, but it's not very likely assuming the glass is not put in the freezer when it's warm/hot or thawed quickly.

A Simple solution when freezing a Liquid that may Expand is to put the bottle of liquid in the Freezer with the Cap on Loosely. The come back the Next Day and tighten up the Cap.

In todays Modern Mechanized Age, its pretty rare to have a Glass Bottle meant to store liquids Crack or Break due to Imperfections in the Glass. The Glass Today is Better Quality than in decades past. And the Manufacturing Process is Vastly Improved also. Where you can have Significant problem is with Hand-Blown Glass.

A Simple Solution is to do a Test Freeze the Empty Bottles before filling them.

BTW - There are Very Few Liquids that Expand when they undergo a Phase Change from liquid to Solid (or Semi-Solid) that don't include H20.

It's the H20 (in almost All Cases) that Causes the Expansion.

 

[fiddleshe]

Assuming it actually works, it looks totally fixable to me, even if it has to be glued.

What glue would you use? I am thinking E6000

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

What glue would you use? I am thinking E6000

Not familiar with E6000.

I would use what I have and for something like that JB Weld would be my choice and is always on hand (regular formula, never fast cure). Clamps will likely be a good idea regardless of the adhesive used.

 

[Fidola13]

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Sorry for the delay... the holidays.
I was pulling the cover off and the battery holder came out revealing the wires. I lost one of the pieces but I know it's under my laundry somewhere. I think I might be able to.put it back together.

did you find the piece?

 

[Fidola13]

A Simple solution when freezing a Liquid that may Expand is to put the bottle of liquid in the Freezer with the Cap on Loosely. The come back the Next Day and tighten up the Cap.

In todays Modern Mechanized Age, its pretty rare to have a Glass Bottle meant to store liquids Crack or Break due to Imperfections in the Glass. The Glass Today is Better Quality than in decades past. And the Manufacturing Process is Vastly Improved also. Where you can have Significant problem is with Hand-Blown Glass.

A Simple Solution is to do a Test Freeze the Empty Bottles before filling them.

BTW - There are Very Few Liquids that Expand when they undergo a Phase Change from liquid to Solid (or Semi-Solid) that don't include H20.

It's the H20 (in almost All Cases) that Causes the Expansion.

I have 7 liters of nic in the freezer. I put each 250mg bottle into sealed zip lock bags and bubble wrap on the very off chance they break.

 

[zoiDman]

I have 7 liters of nic in the freezer. I put each 250mg bottle into sealed zip lock bags and bubble wrap on the very off chance they break.

The Zip Lock (or Seal-a-Meal Bags) are a Good Call.

Can you Imagine what a Colossal Mess it would be to have a Bottle of Nicotine Base spill into a Freezer?

Yikes.

 

[Vapeon4Life]

I have 7 liters of nic in the freezer. I put each 250mg bottle into sealed zip lock bags and bubble wrap on the very off chance they break.

I heard they are going to outlaw {or ban} plain nicotine
- so for now while it is still available - Where do you get blendable nicotine ??? - I've yet to see an online vape dealer selling it?