Are you for or against being able to vape indoors in public places?
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But I do sometimes need to "vee". 
Just because someone disrespects you, does not give you the right nor the reason to "disrespect them back." Unless you're 4 yrs old and have no personal ethics which guide your behavior, but instead merely react.
Andria
Don't forget college campuses.
The same intolerant, prejudicial imbeciles stuck there noses in there too.
And it's disgusting.
I agree. That seems to be one of the other very few places in GA where the ANTZ have made inroads. At least our lawmakers are sane, but unfortunately the same cannot be said for the GA Board of Regents.
Andria
Funny you mention college campus. I took my daughter to Wright State University on Friday for a college campus tour. One of the buildings we went to a person was smoking right next to the entrance. I thought it smelled great. My wife turned to me and said, "It has been awhile since I have had that smell." I said yeah it smelled great. I went back outside near the women and and took a deep breath, smiled at her then came back in. No one in our group looked concerned about it.
Personally I will take that over the young woman in front of us who coughed up a huge loogie and spit it through 4 of the people she was with.
Why does everyone have to be so smart? It'd be nice to do whatever you wanted to do but us as individuals will never make those decisions so there's really no reason in taking this from a casual conversation to a political debate. I'm so glad I'm not as smart as you guys, geez ..that knowledge must get really heavy sometimes...
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This is a really good question ... I feel a lot like what Andria said. I know for sure now that I have a sub ohm unit and a beast of a clearo to match that my current 60 watt antics are just too ridiculous to vape indoors. I'm even annoyed at how long my new clouds are blocking the tv and making my apartment look like a Sherlock Holmes evening in London ... Funny thing too is that non smoking analog complainers always talked about second hand smoke as pertains usually to their fear of coughing, odor, or Cancer ... Ironically in my mind is the fact that if you produce really heavy clouds around you ,you can feel the 'coolness' and a fast 'wetness' for a micro second ... This made me start thinking about second hand vape clouds as more germ carriers than anything else .One second it's in my lungs and my mouth ... the next second it's draping all over your Porterhouse and mashed potatoes ... I'm tending to lean to straight stealth vaping with my VTR and just use my 180S at home ...
Based on what you wrote, you are using ANTZ rhetoric.
Am glad to review the record as I do not believe I used ad hominem to explain the ANTZ assertion.
I don't think some one has to be ANTZ in order to practice respect for others. That should be the default. Too many of us seem to live with "only person in the world syndrome." I see it everyday in so many ways. The driver weaving in and out of traffic as if he was the only one on the road and his needs are more important. The parent who lets their kids run amok in a restaurant while they are talking with friends. The people who put their phones on a tripod to watch a movie or listen to music without headphones in the coffee shop.
We live in a world with other people who don't share the same tastes, proclivities and levels of tolerance as we may have. It just seems to me thst the right thing to do is take every effort to not be a source of bother or annoyance to others.
Now, if a bar allows vaping, then that's up to them. People who go there should expect that and not force their views on the ones enjoying that amenity. Likewise, I don't go to Chuck E Cheese and complain about all the brats running amok. I know that I have to put up with that if I choose to walk in there. But if I go to a movie theater, then I expect kids to be controlled or removed.
Personal liberty is a wonderful thing but that liberty is exercised in a society. Respect should go hand in hand with that.
We live in a world with other people who don't share the same tastes, proclivities and levels of tolerance as we may have. It just seems to me thst the right thing to do is take every effort to not be a source of bother or annoyance to others.
Now, if a bar allows vaping, then that's up to them. People who go there should expect that and not force their views on the ones enjoying that amenity. Likewise, I don't go to Chuck E Cheese and complain about all the brats running amok. I know that I have to put up with that if I choose to walk in there. But if I go to a movie theater, then I expect kids to be controlled or removed.
Personal liberty is a wonderful thing but that liberty is exercised in a society. Respect should go hand in hand with that.
And I am in the camp that you should be able to vape everywhere, with respect. I don't take this issue lightly, and do realize I'm perhaps on what is an extreme front, but also realize how I behave in public and do have the history of batting 1.000. Were I batting .333, I'd possibly feel like I could still make the points I do, but would know (for myself) that I was fooling some others and for sure myself to suggest "it won't ever be a problem if you vape wherever you want with respect." I don't know that it will never be a problem going forward, but I do know that what Skoony wrote in post [HASHTAG]#204[/HASHTAG] that this matches my experience between most of the time and all of the time.
I find it impossible to treat vaping like smoking. I'm a dual user. In all the places I vape, I know that I could not smoke there, and maintain respect. I do think I could smoke in a way that would appear respectful, and that a tolerant / open person would see or judge as such, but also realize it would just not go over well, unless person was highly tolerant and key decision maker and allowing for one time error on my part and the 4th moon of Saturn was in the lower house of Venus. All those things being accurate, I could smoke in places where I vape. But to turn around and say I ought to have starting position of treating vaping like smoking is preposterous. For me to go in that direction, I do have to don my ANTZ / devil's advocate version of rationality, and as I've said in this thread, I can do that with regards to ALL outdoor vaping.
So, to say it is "just disrespectful and selfish" to have attitude I have, and practice that I engage in, strikes me as way off base. Just as some of you all might not like being referred to as ANTZ-leaning with the position I identify you expressing. That may seem way off base to you. It strikes me as spot on.
A business owner has choice to have policy to disallow a harmless activity in their establishment. But a patron still has a choice to engage in that harmless activity in the establishment and take the risk of not getting caught. Akin to driving 2 miles over speed limit, and IMO far less dangerous. Or akin to breathing in any public space without a mouth filter. I like using that analogy, cause I do honestly think it is on par with public vaping. It's not on par with the obnoxious vaping that is imagined on threads like this, but is on par with what I do whenever I vape in public. But best analogy I can likely provide that I would think a fellow vaper could relate to is how one vapes, confidently when outdoors, and say within 100 feet of other non-vaping humans. However that currently works for you mentally, and if you were in discussion with person who found that inherently rude and selfish, the points you would make to counter their over zealous concerns, is about where I'm at with indoor vaping.
Which is why I do like these type of threads, cause there is very few things said by the anti-indoor crowd that makes me feel like I'm being the irrational person in the discussion.
Just a friendly reminder to all, I crated this thread to get others opinions, and have enjoyed reading everything thus far. very good points from all sides. I cant believe there have been so many replies lmao. But please try and keep the debate civil. Ive been reading all the replies and i keep going back and fourth in my head about the topic lmao.
Doesnt give me the right? Lol so they have the right to disrespect me in the first place. I didnt warrant any disrespect. Im sorry but someone disrespects me they will quickly realize how hard a 4 year old punches. That is my ethics. I always stand up for what is right even if it means knocking someone's teeth down their throat. I reckon I was raised old school where you defend ones honor and stand in the face of disrespect. Just sayin'. I'm done here sorry. I mean no disrespect. I just can't take it anymore. This thread has gone way beyond ridiculous.
Agreed. This is how I vape. Indoors. In public.
For those who internally debate the idea of vaping in a hospital and currently have expressed opinion on "a hospital is for sure never a good place to vape," I say give it a try. Chances are very very good, you'll find many spots where you won't have opportunity to bother / annoy another person (staff or visitor) in the establishment. Again, I can think of no other indoor location that is better.
You do have to be a little ANTZ-like to argue on a vaping forum that you should never vape indoors, in public. To make points such as, "you are an addict if you need to do this." Or, "you are disrespecting all other people in that establishment by doing this." Or, "you don't know that it is 100% absolutely harmless, therefore best to not do it." Or, "you are ruining it for the rest of us." Or, "if a child sees you, then your impression on them could be plausibly devastating." Or, "treat it exactly like smoking, and thus don't do it anywhere in public." Or, "your humongous clouds are selfish and apparently you are the only one who doesn't get this."
All ANTZ leaning assertions. Imagine someone saying any or all of these things to you about outdoor vaping. Feel free to let me know how you might respond, and while doing so, just realize that there could be a fellow vaper judging you with any rhetoric you come up with to support your decision to vape freely, outdoors, as you being completely selfish and you trying to justify your rudeness.
Good luck!
Your lungs only have so much capacity. That huge cloud is no bigger than the air you'd otherwise exhale and carries no more germs. Why oh why are we so freaked out about visible breath?
I am on the side of choice. Choice for the business owner to set the policy. And choice for the customer as a patron. And I can understand why a business owner might set an anti-vaping policy, simply because it detracts from the surrounding atmosphere. And if I chose to enter said establishment, I would respect the rules. Maybe others would choose to break those rules. And if nobody sees them, what does it matter? But ending any relationship with the aformentioned business must be an acceptable risk. And rightly so.
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