1.4-1.5 ohms. I take maybe 4-5 second drags, never above 13w. My KF4s do not like more than 15w he he. 18w is when I'm using my Magma.. I posted on it but its probably pretty far back by now..
Attack of the (Kayfun v4) Clones!
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Well hell, just joined the kayfun Klone Klub, ordered a Tobeco and S4 kit.
Didn't like my KFL at all (no fault with the flavor, just not enough airflow and I hated filling the farging thing), so I'm hoping the KF4+S4 puts me on the low end of my airflow tolerance.
Didn't like my KFL at all (no fault with the flavor, just not enough airflow and I hated filling the farging thing), so I'm hoping the KF4+S4 puts me on the low end of my airflow tolerance.
Have in my hand a 1.2Ω @ 16.5 watts on a 3mm coil, yes, it's a warm to hot vape. Normally run around 13-14w, this particular diy juice, a peach/apricot/coconut thingy just tastes better with a little higher frying, can't taste the coconut at lower power. Weird combo of flavors, I know, just using what's left in the flavor stash & made a diy order this morn
Just started vaping a new coil and wick on one of my KF4's with the coil as high as I can make it. So far I don't taste a difference with it compared to it being close to the air hole. Will do the same to my other one and use them for awhile and see what I see...
Wow... now by burn your lips do you mean just gets warm or like actually causes burns on your lips? I can see that getting warm but 13W on a 1.4/1.5 for 4-5 seconds should NOT be doing that. I vape on that with a very high coil and it's mid-warm at best. How much air do you have coming in... are you fully open? If not i could see the issue.
You don't have to go crazy with it but what i generally do is 1.5 times the coils I.D. above the air hole at a minimum. That space under the coil just gives me better air flow and putting the coil closer to your mouth increases warmth and "intensity"... but only to a degree.
I wrap three 3mm pieces of silica for my wicks. Don't know the exact I.D. of it but I'd say it's wide.
So.... A quick follow up on my experiences here. You all probably remember me as the one screaming "IT'S NOT WICKING!!" -- (well not really in caps/etc, but I think you all remember, as you were all so very helpful).
But anyway - I ended up trying another KF4 Clone (also Tobeco) but this time it was in stainless (which I realize doesnt matter). Anyway - it works FLAWLESSLY! Wicks great! Sometimes too great! Nice dense flavor - thick clouds - and just like @Ricks said: superior vape to the KFL+.
I'm not quite sure what was up with the other clone... I do know that the holes in the deck were drilled straight through - where on this one, there's a slight "bevel" - I think it's called? The hole is ever so slightly wider right at the top is what I mean. So after literally about 15 builds in the other KF4 clone with horrible results, my very first build is working like a CHAMP in the new KF4 Clone. I've gone through about 5 tanks on this build and have been loving it.
I also decided to now buy an Authentic SM, and it should be arriving tomorrow!
Thanks again for all the previous help and advice. I'm still not 100% sure what was wrong with the first one, but those juice holes are a likely candidate. But it could have been a vacuum or seal, or who the heck knows somewhere.
But anyway - I ended up trying another KF4 Clone (also Tobeco) but this time it was in stainless (which I realize doesnt matter). Anyway - it works FLAWLESSLY! Wicks great! Sometimes too great! Nice dense flavor - thick clouds - and just like @Ricks said: superior vape to the KFL+.
I'm not quite sure what was up with the other clone... I do know that the holes in the deck were drilled straight through - where on this one, there's a slight "bevel" - I think it's called? The hole is ever so slightly wider right at the top is what I mean. So after literally about 15 builds in the other KF4 clone with horrible results, my very first build is working like a CHAMP in the new KF4 Clone. I've gone through about 5 tanks on this build and have been loving it.
I also decided to now buy an Authentic SM, and it should be arriving tomorrow!
Thanks again for all the previous help and advice. I'm still not 100% sure what was wrong with the first one, but those juice holes are a likely candidate. But it could have been a vacuum or seal, or who the heck knows somewhere.
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Yep burns. When I originally posted it, I had blisters all over the inside of my upper lip. For whatever reason my #1 Tobeco (my 'problem child' Atty) seems hotter than my #2 in general. Both have pretty much the exact same setup. Only difference is my #1 has the stainless/glass tank, and #2 has the polycarb tank..
The "myth" starts here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ils-increase-vapor-flavor-th.html#post9497477
and continues here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ioned-micro-coils-next-step.html#post14806911
and continues here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ioned-micro-coils-next-step.html#post14806911
May I assume that the EHPRO isn't a one-to-one? I picked up two black instances from Sweet Vapes today. When I disassembled them to give them an initial soap bath #9 had no slots in it and appeared that it can not be removed. So #3 #5 #8 can not be separated. I didn't see a #10/#11 combo either. My HCigar comes apart just like the diagram. This is the "new" EHPRO with slotted threads.
Any insight from the EHPRO vets ?
Any insight from the EHPRO vets ?
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It's not a myth, but it isn't quite as applicable in 2015 as it was in 2013, and the more primitive devices and materials of that era.
Mods have gotten more powerful and more consistent, more people are using high VG juices that challenge wicking, airflow has increased tremendously, chamber designs have advanced, the most popular wicking materials have changed, and more importantly, vaping preferences have changed (throat hit isn't a "thing" for everyone these days, for some of us, quite the opposite).
Take all that into consideration, and micro coils can actually be counter-productive on certain devices/device combos, or for certain vaping preferences.
There's several good indications that the KF4 benefits from a larger ID coil, more so than the older Kayfuns, and people trying to build on it just like they "always did" should approach building on it with an open mind.
Wow. I'll defer to the ehpro experts, but you're right, that's not a 1:1, and frankly, sucks!
Recoiled 2 different K4s, wifes & mine. 3mm, 28g, both 1.2-1.3Ω, rayon wicks, both 95% vg (different flavors and nic levels), both have coils well above the stack ring, probably highest possible height. Did not tell better half it was an experiment, gotta keep an unbiased scientific control point in there
Hers is on a mech, mine on a variable at 13.5w.
She found no difference in taste, vape, airflow, anything. Neither did I. YMMV.
But I do like this for rewicking purposes, no need to remove the stove ring.
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So that is 5 wraps.
Wonder if you would notice a difference with a greater # of wraps?
My thinking:
The more wraps, the more surface area with the wick = better results for flavor and vapor production, maybe at a cost to TH.
A larger ID and smaller # wraps means a smaller area of coil contact with the surface of the wick.
The surface of the wick is where optimal vapor production occurs.
The center of the wick, especially a thick one, will do little for direct vapor production.
However, at high watts, a thicker wick may provide the benefit of a juice 'reservoir' to a wick that might otherwise become dry?
Thoughts? Tests?
My next coil will be back to a 2.5mm, 11 wraps, 2.0 ohm. Don't think the last try on that one (my first) had a proper wick.
The 2.5mm idea being that a 2.0mm doesn't fully cover the airhole intake, and a 2.5mm will give better air 'swirl'.
ETA: Whatever the case, I am loving the flavor production of the K4.
I tried vaping my old cigalike with a carto last night. UGGH!
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I think that line about sums it up It's definitely why I use a bigger diameter coil in my tanks
It's definitely why I use a bigger diameter coil in my tanks 
There is a newer ehpro that fixes your issue. Someone else reported your problem; they contacted the seller and got it resolved.
So I havent bought anything vape wise since November but my KFL+ is getting pretty worn out and has been dropped several times so Im in the market for some new gear. Whats the best V4 clone currently out there, is the Robottech better than the tobeco, these are the two Im currently looking at. Thanks in advance.
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