Attack of the (Kayfun v4) Clones!

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mudram99

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I have one to be shipped and one that should have been shipped but hasn't. From China but not FT.
My problem is more local, right here, I have better than 25 tank atties that haven't been used in I don't know how long that are juiced. I have 10 cleaned up tonight.
At least nothing rusted or the like. Probably a dozen or so drippers to do also but that's a bit easier.

Just a small part of them here:
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Wash day huh? :)
 

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How do these K4 clones compare to higher quality genesis style tanks? Like a kracken or origin?
Btw, know about genny weaknesses like leaking & tilting .... More interested in the quality of vape comparison. TIA.

Maybe I was lucky, but I built my Kraken clone before I built my first KF V4, while I was new to the whole rebuildable thing. The rolled SS 400 mesh wicks were about 2 mm in diameter, so there was a little "play" in the 2.5 mm deck holes (which BTW are threaded on my Klaken crone). The coils were built on a 5/64" drill bit and installed on the deck, the wick was pushed through each one afterwards. The two coils in parallel came out to around 1.1 ohms, though I was aiming for 1.5.

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The whole thing performed flawlessly. I dry burned it 3 or 4 times, once a week, red hot then under running hot water, with the tank glass removed but the wicks in place. After faithfully serving for around a month that way, the top connection wire on one of the coils finally started looking weak where I had repeatedly straightened it, it was showing signs of hot-legging, and that coil was running cooler, so I trashed the whole build and have yet to rebuild it.

It wasn't a leaker. I mostly kept it vertical, but sometimes just lying on the desk, and it seeped but didn't leak much. One time when I left it on its side all night, it puddled its guts out.

I had to tip it to get best feeding, but never very much as long as I kept the tank over half full, just a sort of ritual nod now and then. The vapor quality and thickness were excellent, running on a Nemesis clone mechanical mod, with the dual coils totaling 1.1 ohms. The taste was very VERY good. I only vape my home-made gourmet liquids, 95% VG, 5% FlavourArt flavoring with a few drops of Bicardi 151, no nicotine. There was no problem wicking. So, surprisingly superb.

The Kraken's taste had a certain "digital" cleanliness to it from the SS mesh. The fact you can pull the cap in an instant and inspect the coils, tip the unit and talk the coils into behaving, is very nice. My Tobeco KayFun V4 clones are now different-tasting with all-cotton wicks, though equally great. But my first KF V4 build used a 400 SS mesh wick, with cotton barbells dipping into the wells, and that was a great build that tasted very similar.

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The fact you can't see the guts on a Kayfun unless you take it apart is a little less miraculous, though it's SO easy now to pull the deck on the V4, with no liquid getting wasted, that it's just fine.

So overall I'd say that with very different vibes, they both can vape very tasty and thick. Building a single coil KF V4 takes about a quarter the labor of building a dual coil SS mesh wick Kraken Genisis RTA. And of course, while both can offer great taste, the KF V4 is incomparably more practical and more pocketable. Maybe a little SS collar to tighten the hole around the wick would make the Kraken leak-proof? Or would it stop wicking then?
 
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Just rewicked.
Was a bit nasty after 3 1/2 tanks of dark, sweet juice.
So ya, totally agree with the ease of pulling the deck on this thing.
And oh, my latest build the coil center is even with the top of the chimney ring.
Just happens to make it even easier to rewick, don't have to remove the chimney ring.
And that bugger can be hard to get off!

Edit: do you guys wash off/out the deck when rewicking?
Seems an added hassle, but I guess it's the only way to get it 'fresh'.
Seems I maybe rinse every-other-wicking.
 
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Just happens to make it even easier to rewick, don't have to remove the chimney ring.
And that bugger can be hard to get off!

If you referred to the part by its number - one of the wonders of the V4 - we
could properly commiserate. ;-)

As to the washing, what rinse would it be rinseth werewith ?
Glycerin? If we use water it has to be dried. If we use ethanol, it must
be evaporated. So why not use the juice that it will bathe in, save the
drying time and just go?
 
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Aaaah... the flavor of a fresh wick makes me giddy.
4 tanks is as long as I can go.
And can drop then watts down by 2.

If you referred to the part by its number - one of the wonders of the V4 - we
could properly commiserate.

As to the washing, what rinse would it be rinseth werewith ? Thou meanest
glycerin? If we use water it has to be dried. If we use ethanol, it must
be evaporated. So why not use the juice that it will bathe in, and just go?

Part #25. I see now it is called the "congestion ring" :thumb:
And my dark, rich, sweet juice 'gunkage' just seems to need require a washin!
 

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Yup #25's a ..... to manhandle. Like wrestling lawyers in an oil spill.
And it always wants to go back on cross-threaded.

How do you guys prevent over-filling? Is pulling out when the liquid
reaches the top ledge of #26 practical? Or the bottom of #32?

I saw a picture of a V4 on a French site with a BRASS #12! Is that
a SvoeMesto original or a known variant?

Curious now, @Capthook! How much flavoring do you use in your
dark rich sweet juice?
 

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FWIW, when I hear of thick residues, with commercial juices, my worry is that 1) they flavor for profit, with no regard for the fact we know nothing of the inhalation toxicity of food flavorings. And it's a matter of amounts. It's one thing to be inhaling 1% acetone, and another to be inhaling 30%.

The flavorings we DO know about lead me to worry #2. 2) The use of diketones. The thick buttery taste we love so much in our food. The Vanilla custards. The buttery cakes. Buttered caramel popcorn. Without diketones it's impossible to make some flavors. And inhaling diketones causes obliteration of the fine bronchioles in the lungs. Irreversibly. At low inhaled amounts it's likely to not be devastating, but if people are using 30% flavoring, with flavors that contain diketones like diacetyl, they're being foolish. And from talking to the juice vendors I get the distinct impression they don't want to deal with it, because they cannot make their best-selling "rich juices" without diketones.

So I just don't vape commercial juices, it's cheaper anyway, and in my own liquids I avoid flavor types likely to contain diketones (no matter what they say), and I try to use a minimum of ALL flavoring, say 5% as a general limit. Less for some of the Chinese alcohol-based super-flavors.
 
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Ricks, They're too cheap on Fasttech to not order one. Next time I put together a general junk order (you know what I'm talking about) I'm going to get one. Normally order a bunch of small but interesting stuff every couple of months. Heck you can get a whole bag of "vape trinkets" for around $25 or $30.

Sent while sitting on my busted ..... Stay off the ice if you can't skate. I can't and didn't.

Just don't order the 3 pack of them, SKU 2126101: https://www.fasttech.com/products/2126101

I got mine in on Monday, and they don't work correctly. The pole is fixed to the top part, so when you wind the coil it pulls the wire up through the hole in the base instead of wrapping the excess you leave intended to be wrapped. Even using it pulling through the base part the coils produced are worse than using a regular screwdriver to wrap them on.

Going to have to return that one.
 

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    Just don't order the 3 pack of them, SKU 2126101: https://www.fasttech.com/products/2126101

    I got mine in on Monday, and they don't work correctly. The pole is fixed to the top part, so when you wind the coil it pulls the wire up through the hole in the base instead of wrapping the excess you leave intended to be wrapped. Even using it pulling through the base part the coils produced are worse than using a regular screwdriver to wrap them on.

    Going to have to return that one.

    That is odd. The ones I got, the pins were fixed in the base, like the original.
    I would return them.............
     

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    Leaking with new #16 12x1.5s... leaking with everything i've tried. The vapor quality is nice... the ease of fill is sweet... but man i'm about to put this in the "to be continued" pile and keep on with all of my KFL+'s.

    I really never see the V4 reaching "standard" KFL levels of popularity.

    Are you sure its leaking thru #16? Got any pics of the deck? What one do you have?
     

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    Just don't order the 3 pack of them, SKU 2126101: https://www.fasttech.com/products/2126101

    I got mine in on Monday, and they don't work correctly. The pole is fixed to the top part, so when you wind the coil it pulls the wire up through the hole in the base instead of wrapping the excess you leave intended to be wrapped. Even using it pulling through the base part the coils produced are worse than using a regular screwdriver to wrap them on.

    Going to have to return that one.

    You guys are doing it wrong
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    Sorry I really should dig up my photo bucket for these but I need to re wick now

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    What no comments on my sub Ohm-ing a Stock KayFun v4 with Twisted 24 or 28 gauge..

    at least some Wicking critique I still cant get consistent Fluid hits she goes dry Cellucotton or Japanese Cotton..

    too much too little ?? I'm really digging that steel mesh monster with the Cotton ends that looks promising
     
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