Looking for some good batteries for kayfuns (around 1.5) and magma (1.35) with a higher capacity than the VTC4s I have. I see a 3100 mah Efest... but it's Efest and I'm kind of wary of buying their batteries because they seem kind of dishonest about the specs of what they sell (e.g. the 20 amp battery labeled 35 amp). What's a good one?
Best high capacity 18650 for low power vaping
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Reading more about this 3100 mah Efest battery it's not even close to 20 amps. 
Ironically it would probably be perfect for what I'm doing. If only it was labeled properly I might buy some...
This one looks like the second best then?
http://www.orbtronic.com/batteries-...li-ion-battery-button-top-panasonic-orbtronic
Ironically it would probably be perfect for what I'm doing. If only it was labeled properly I might buy some...
This one looks like the second best then?
http://www.orbtronic.com/batteries-...li-ion-battery-button-top-panasonic-orbtronic
Reading more about this 3100 mah Efest battery it's not even close to 20 amps.
Ironically it would probably be perfect for what I'm doing. If only it was labeled properly I might buy some...
This one looks like the second best then?
New NCR18650PF High Drain Panasonic 18650 2900 mAh Li-ion Battery button top by Orbtronic
IMHO, the Panasonic or Orbtronic NCR18650PF 2900mAh would be your best option.
IMHO, the Panasonic or Orbtronic NCR18650PF 2900mAh would be your best option.
What about this one Bad?
Says it is a hybrid...not sure how I feel about that. Would love your opinion...
I would potentially use this in a Reo Grand at sane subOhms (sane to my little nub self being no lower than 0.5 or 0.6....)
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What about this one Bad?
Says it is a hybrid...not sure how I feel about that. Would love your opinion...
I would potentially use this in a Reo Grand at sane subOhms (sane to my little nub self being no lower than 0.5 or 0.6....)
Not Mr. Baditude but...
That is a rewrapped/rebranded VTC4
I can't say for certain, but I would tend to agree with number1. Orbtronics, like many other battery re-sellers, uses other manufacturer's batteries and re-wrap with their own brand name label. Many of Orbtronics models are re-wrapped Panasonic batteries, and often say this in the product description. Orbtronics doesn't say this is a Sony VTC4 inside, but the 2100 mAh and 30 amp rating matches the Sony VTC4.
LOL, Anumber1, I will start calling him Mr. Baditude if you feel better about that!
Mr. Baditude sir, sorry to talk about you in the third person. The hybrid part is not worrying?
BTW...Mr. Baditude is responsible for much of my Vaping direction and education. I feel close to him and it is better to call him Bad than Tude...
I guess the day I get a PM saying. "Stop calling me Bad", I will know that I have done wrong.
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"IMR/Hybrid" batteries are a relatively new class of Lithium batteries, a mix of ICR (cobalt) and IMR (manganese) chemistry. They have the best parts of ICR (longer mah capacity) and IMR (safe-chemistry, and in most cases are high-drain).
The top-rated batteries that we use in vaping today are IMR/hybrids.
Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries
The top-rated batteries that we use in vaping today are IMR/hybrids.
Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries
IMHO, the Panasonic or Orbtronic NCR18650PF 2900mAh would be your best option.
Most of these I see listed say they have a PCB, does this interfere in high drain applications such as mods?
I have read through your posts several times, and like you state; in some cases it is hard to know if what you buy is what you get.
The shrink wrap says one thing, but what are you getting in actuality?
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Protection circuit boards are usually optional with the Panasonic and Orbtronic batteries. PCB's may or may not interfere with the regulated mods which use VV/VW. Therefore, since these regulated mods have their own built-in protection and do not require batteries with them, be certain to purchase batteries which are without these circuits.
If ever in doubt about a battery when about to make a purchase, contact the vendor and make your inquiry. Most resellers like Orbtronics have knowledgeable staff who can answer your technical questions.
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Protected vs. Unprotected
There is a common misnomer in the vaping community that a protected battery is safer to use than an unprotected battery. There is a belief that a protected battery will prevent you from over-drawing your battery and prevent it to explode or vent gas. I'm not certain where this belief started, but it needs clarification. A battery labeled as "protected" does not always prevent you from applying a higher current draw than it is capable of handling.
The term "unprotected" is vague and often misunderstood. It can mean a "safe chemistry IMR or hybrid" that doesn't use a protected circuit, or an "unprotected ICR battery". Unprotected ICR batteries should NEVER be used in a mod; they should only be used in less demanding applications such as flashlights..
The protection circuits in batteries vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, but primarily prevent you from over-discharging (using the battery past its minimum charge rating) or over-charging the battery. The "protection" moniker is not all-inclusive either. Some will provide just over-discharge protection, others have over-charge protection, and in some batteries over-current protection.
You will have to hunt down the data sheet from the battery manufacturer to find exactly which protections are provided, or hope that your merchant has this listed online. Protected batteries are quite often longer in length than their unprotected counterpart. This is due to the additional circuitry that is embedded in the battery. Confirm measurements before you commit to purchasing.
Now, this said, lithium ion batteries have what's called a PTC or Positive Temperature Coefficient circuit. This is built into the battery just above the positive terminal and is present regardless of any "protected" labels. The PTC is designed to raise the resistance of the battery as the temperature of the battery rises.
The theory behind PTC is that as the resistance goes up, the current draw from the battery goes down - Ohm's Law. This helps prevent most accidents from becoming catastrophic, but it should not be relied on. The PTC is designed to be unobtrusive and you can still over-draw the battery if you aren't paying attention. The PTC circuits can also fail if exposed to static electricity or from a faulty charger. When a PTC fails, it often fails in a position which allows you to continue using the battery without fault.
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Quick question, generally, the legit Sony VTC5 could be considered the "best" battery on the market yes? On a side note, why would anybody not spend the extra 2-4 bucks for the best possible battery in the respected class is beyond me. 200 dollar mod, 9 vr 13 dollar battery :/
The Sony VTC5 has the highest available maximum amp limit. This allows a user to build a lower ohm coil and draw more amperage from the battery.
The Sony VTC5 is "best" in this regard.
If a person is not going to build a very low resistance coil, other high quality batteries exist that actually perform as well as the Sony (when used within their specifications). Some even stay in a vape friendly voltage range longer than the VTC5. Some may have a longer lifespan regarding overall charge cycles realized. Finally, other batteries may simply be available from reputable retailers when the now fairly commonly faked sony is not.
I would hate to purchase an expensive, fake VTC5 and then unknowingly push that fake to the bleeding edge of it's theoretical capacity.
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