Best tobacco for flavor extraction

[jonnydoe]

Thank you Str8. This was a long and good answer to my questions.

I will write what i have done:

1. filling a 250 ml jar up to 200 ml (dont weigh them) first with tobacco and than ethanol
2. steeping it for 3-5 days (new, at the first one a did not steep them) and than doing the hot ethanol
extraction in my sous vide at 70°Celsius for 13 hours. (One hour extra because, ethanol and tobacco in the
jar is perhaps at 20°Celsius and only the water in the vide is 70°Celsius)
3. After extracting i fill the ethanol in other jars by filtering with a coffee filter. I am pressing the rest ethanol
out of the tobacco with a poatator press and let it filter too.
4. Closing the jar with the ethanol and let them freeze at -25°Celsius for 3 days
5. cold filtering at 2-3 mycrometer. Than i have 60-100 ml ethanol extract. I do not weigh the tobacco or the ethanol
before the beginning, i only make the jars full with both. Therefore i can have sometimes 70 ml after extraction
and sometime 100 ml. The extract amount is reffering to the kind of tobacco. (flakes, cigar and so on)
6. reducing the ethanol extract to 25-30ml.
7. mixing with pg and shaking a little bit
8. reducing in the oven at perhaps 65°Celsius till i have perhaps 30 ml final extract
9. making 20ml base juices with 70PG/30VG/10mg nicotine
10. mixing the base juices with 10, 15 and 25 percent of the reduced extract

Perhaps my extracts are not as strong as yours but therefore i do juices with higher percents.

 

[Str8vision]

Up early. Got coffee and started jarring up several tobaccos. The smell of this one was incredible! Beautiful and sorta decadent. Can't wait.

Molto Dulce is quite aromatic and tasted wonderful fresh but after just two weeks of aging the honey nuance has become stronger. I'm waiting to see how it matures but I'm afraid the honey note will continue to strengthen eclipsing the other flavors, time will tell. I wouldn't mind the aroma from this blend filling my house, had hoped the exhaled vapor would carry some of it but it doesn't. Could leave the tin open for awhile sitting in front of a fan....

 

[Str8vision]

jonnydoe might appreciate the results from my 9 month cold PG extraction of Sutliff's "VooDoo Queen". I ran across this old experiment again last night and decided it was time to filter it. Soaking at room temperature since early March the viscosity of the PG changed to being thicker than cold VG, had to thin it with 15% ethanol just for filtering. Mixed a sample at 20% and dripped it at 0.4 ohms and 30 watts. The higher flavor notes (that I like), were absent as was much of the complexity normally yielded by this blend but the heavy, intense, deep, dense tobacco flavor was stunning. Stronger than smoking and inhaling a large Cuban cigar I kid you not. After just three pulls the tobacco taste lingered in my mouth just like it would after smoking a pipe or cigar. Not for the faint of heart, this one might put hair on your chest. Lacking the full spectrum of complex flavor I enjoy I'd never vape enough of it to tell, but am afraid it'd be a heavy gunker.

 

[jonnydoe]

Cooool. Give it to me. I am booking a flight, i want to taste it.

After just three pulls the tobacco taste lingered in my mouth just like it would after smoking a pipe or cigar.

Sounds really great for me. My oldest juice is about 2 weeks. I wish i have a 9 months old. Hmm latakia and all the good other tobaccos. I can see the smoke running out of your ears.

 

[jonnydoe]

What was the best method for you to get a strong cigar net ? I mean the gunky taste of a cigar and not higher quality flavours.

 

[67Tele]

I felt a little bad tearing this Rocky Patel apart but anticipating the payoff helped.

This is when I first started breaking bad.
Tore it down to about 1/2" pieces, discarded the stems and used a 8 oz and 4 oz because the 8 oz was getting a little full.

 

[jonnydoe]

Is the rocky something special or why not another cigar ? Could it be because Str8 have posted some about it ?

Str8: You have had more success with the rocky by trying a method with 3 days steeping before the extraction. Do you think it was the rocky or the steeping before the extraction ?

 

[Str8vision]

What was the best method for you to get a strong cigar net ? I mean the gunky taste of a cigar and not higher quality flavours.

Cigars are tough to extract and usually produce a much lighter tasting flavor than will pipe tobacco. Since you seem to like a deep dark flavor here's the method I would recommend for a -cigar- extraction;

Mix a 90% PG, 10% PGA solvent blend. Pour it over the shredded cigar just covering the tobacco, then add 10 - 15% extra for absorption. Seal the jar and place it in a 130F hot water bath for 96 hours. After the 96 hour hot soak place the sealed jar in a dark place at room temperature for 6 weeks. After 6 weeks, perform in-process sampling to evaluate the developing flavor. Do this by drawing 5 drops of extract from the jar and mixing it with 20 drops of pre-mixed base (your preference of PG/VG/& nic). Drip this mixed sample to evaluate flavor strength of the extract, if it's too weak let it soak for another two weeks before sampling it again. Repeat this until you're satisfied with the flavor, then separate the tobacco and filter the extract. The longer it soaks the stronger the flavor will be. This extraction method will produce the deepest, darkest flavor the tobacco in play is capable of yielding but it will lack overall flavor complexity and the higher flavor nuances. It will also be gunky.

Str8: You have had more success with the rocky by trying a method with 3 days steeping before the extraction. Do you think it was the rocky or the steeping before the extraction ?

I believe it was the cigar, some tobaccos extract better than others.

 

[Exchaner]

Hi everyone, I am looking for Latakia dry leaves, not pipe tobacco. Does anyone have a good source?

 

[jonnydoe]

Very interesting str8. Have you done this ? I think i will try it, sounds good. And if its strong enough but i am missing the higher flavour i could mix it with other tobacco extracts.

I have only extract 8 cigars and during breaking the leafs i have seen differences to the tobaccos. Some were deep black and dry others were brown and a little bit wet and i think one of the secrets could be the tobacco leafs or region like the Dom.Rep, Honduras... Some tobaccos have soaked many ethanaol and some not much.
I have started a small thread referring cigar extractions because i want more experiences of the board members to learn about it.

Best cigar extraction

My cigar extracts have a green colour and all other tobaccos are brown. I am asking me why. I have to read and learn about different cigars.

 

[anavidfan]

Very interesting str8. Have you done this ? I think i will try it, sounds good. And if its strong enough but i am missing the higher flavour i could mix it with other tobacco extracts.

I have only extract 8 cigars and during breaking the leafs i have seen differences to the tobaccos. Some were deep black and dry others were brown and a little bit wet and i think one of the secrets could be the tobacco leafs or region like the Dom.Rep, Honduras... Some tobaccos have soaked many ethanaol and some not much.
I have started a small thread referring cigar extractions because i want more experiences of the board members to learn about it.

Best cigar extraction

My cigar extracts have a green colour and all other tobaccos are brown. I am asking me why. I have to read and learn about different cigars.

I hope it takes off , I need to get a good routine going. I cant afford all my fav NETs ( naturally extracted tobacco.com ) Ive been told that its very easy to make NET yourself, its just a matter experimenting to see what tobacco yields a taste one likes.

Im so glad that there is such a large group of true tobacco lovers. I remember Ahlusions had one called "Devil Dog" it was a dry , clean, true tobacco, not sweet, not bitter, but strong as heck... I think they still make it, but they've tamed it down a LOT. THey had another Burley that was good and grassy not bitter, but that one also changed.

 

[seebo]

Hi everyone, I am looking for Latakia dry leaves, not pipe tobacco. Does anyone have a good source?

as in not cured/fire cured? that might be difficult. i was under the impression "pipe" tobacco is just tobacco that is just cured, but typically with smoke like the majority of tobacco is.

 

[jonnydoe]

not fire cured. Dont you like the smoky taste ? Love this..

 

[Exchaner]

Pipe tobacco is often laced with flavors - casings they are called I believe. I personally like straight tobaccos without any casings. LeafOnly has a good selection of straight tobaccos but they don't carry Latakia.

 

[seebo]

perhaps a few of them are, but many are just one kind of tobacco and nothing else. maybe try contacting wholeleaftobacco an asking them if it's a blend? from the looks of it, what they're selling is not a blend Latakia

 

[67Tele]

I hope it takes off , I need to get a good routine going. I cant afford all my fav NETs ( naturally extracted tobacco.com ) Ive been told that its very easy to make NET yourself, its just a matter experimenting to see what tobacco yields a taste one likes.

@anavidfan I got a lot of help getting started here: Getting started,help please
from @Str8vision @usr/ and @Boxster and others. Good comprehensive explanations and steps on what equipment to get and how to get off on the good foot. I'm fairly fumble handed/headed. You should do fine.

Do it! There's a lot of help to be had here.

 

[anavidfan]

@anavidfan I got a lot of help getting started here: Getting started,help please
from @Str8vision @usr/ and @Boxster and others. Good comprehensive explanations and steps on what equipment to get and how to get off on the good foot. I'm fairly fumble handed/headed. You should do fine.

Do it! There's a lot of help to be had here.

Thanks so much for the encouragement. The only things Ive extracted is Earl Grey tea ( strong stuff, but good as an additive )

I do love coffee and thought it would go well with tobacco, but dont know if I should use whole beans, slightly crushed or ground or finely ground. I have a big thing for coffee and I have Kenya AA, Ethiopian, and some special Kona beans.

I need more mason jars. Any other types of jars that are less expensive and good for extractions?

 

[aceswired]

I did coffee once. Ground. It was okay. My filtration was inadequate so it was hard to judge.

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[seebo]

i'm tempted to try using slightly crushed coffee beans, most likely less filtering necessary. i missed drinking coffee since i stopped drinking it once i quit the analogs..

 

[jonnydoe]

I need more mason jars. Any other types of jars that are less expensive and good for extractions?

I have done some hot ethanol extractions with glasses of champignons. I dont believe that we really need expensive glasses. I have bought some because of tutorials and because they looks very pretty. If we would need higher temperatures for extraction it could be better, but i havent any problems also with the champigon glasses. There are many glasses like for example marmelade glasses from the marmelades you buy.