This is what I've been doing for the last six months or so. Starting to get a handle on their flavors. Still a little confused by Smyma and Orientals but learning that a little dab does wonders.
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This is what I've been doing for the last six months or so. Starting to get a handle on their flavors. Still a little confused by Smyma and Orientals but learning that a little dab does wonders.
Yea! That is the area I am focusing on now. I know that I kind of like the turkish/oriental blends, but I am not sure which components I prefer. If I understand this corectlly, most turkish tobaccos are made using oriental leaf. However, they are usually smoked in the curing process. The type of wood they use in the smoke curing, and the region they are made, determine what variety of turkish tobacco it is. Is that about right? Then you may have several different oriental varieties to choose from.
Are any of these any good as a stand alone vape? Are you extracting these, then mixing the concentrates to make your own blends?
Are any of these any good as a stand alone vape? Are you extracting these, then mixing the concentrates to make your own blends?
Yes, extracting and mixing. Not scientifically, mainly just eye-balling different combinations per squonk bottle fills to see what goes with what.
I'm finding the PS Turkish makes a nice addition to a few that I find good, but somewhat lacking. Alone, I find it somewhat lacking as well. Mixed with AS Perique or Mc Virginia Flake, very nice.
My first experimentation with varietals turned out surprisingly very good.
50% Red Virginia
30% AAA Burley
10% Izmir Turkish
10% Blending Perique
I think with a bit of Latakia (which I don't have yet) , I could give Mississippi River a run for it's money.
I like the Izmir as well... it’s a nice change of pace vape; wakes up the tastebuds.
Blending it with equal parts of Perique and Green River Black Cavendish makes for a palatable ADV for me; throws a bit of mellow funk on the brightness of the Izmir. I must admit though... going from a predominately Burley or Va/Per mix to the Izmir is quite the switch-up!
...nice to have options though.
I like the Izmir as well... it’s a nice change of pace vape; wakes up the tastebuds.
I must admit though... going from a predominately Burley or Va/Per mix to the Izmir is quite the switch-up!
Hey, thanks fellas! Thats useful info for me. I am going to have to pick up some Izmir now. Any recomendations on what to get; or what not to get?
I'm looking for a little more variety in my juice line-up. I am finding that if I vape the same juice for a prolonged period of time, the flavor starts to loose its magic, become generic. If I can switch it up and then come back to it in a few days, its a whole new fresh experience. I need a bigger rotation.
Does anyone have any thoughts or input on the Yenidje oriental/turkush?
Hey, thanks fellas! Thats useful info for me. I am going to have to pick up some Izmir now. Any recomendations on what to get; or what not to get?
I'm looking for a little more variety in my juice line-up. I am finding that if I vape the same juice for a prolonged period of time, the flavor starts to loose its magic, become generic. If I can switch it up and then come back to it in a few days, its a whole new fresh experience. I need a bigger rotation.
Does anyone have any thoughts or input on the Yenidje oriental/turkush?
Where are you finding Yenidje for purchase?
Here is an article on Turkish/Oriental tobaccos you might find of interest.
Oriental Opulence part 1.
Oriental Opulence part 2.
As far as variety I suggest trying different tobaccos from the main categories and finding what you like.
Cigarette tobacco: American Spirit organic & perique, Nat Sherman Natural (original) & MCD, Dunhill International
Va/Per: Louisiana Red, Lane 125, Escudo Navy De luxe
Cavendish & Aromatics: Lane BCA, Nat Sherman #509, Sutlliff Sps2007 Bourbon, Molto Dolce, Scotty's Trout Steam
English Blends: Dunhill Nightcap or London Mixture, Balkan Sasieni, McClelland Bombay Court
Varietals for spicing up other blends or making your own blends.
I have the exact same problem, I become desensitized to the flavor of a NET and it seems to fade over time. The only way I've found to overcome this is by rotating through distinctly different NETs throughout the week. Latakia bombs one day, VaPer the next followed by a Black Cavendish blend, then a cigar and etc.. Sometimes I even rotate through multiple NETs in a single day. To do this you need a good variety of well aged NETs at the ready. This is why I began sampling so many different tobacco blends, I wanted at least a dozen different NETs to choose from so that I'd have an ample variety. Unfortunately, I'm picky about flavor so finding a dozen different tobaccos that I liked wasn't easy. So far only one out of twenty tobaccos make the cut. I sample hundreds of tobaccos and blends to find twelve I liked in "liquid" form. That search led to the creation of this thread.
That search led to the creation of this thread.
And those of us that have benefited from it are SO thankful.
I won't pretend that I've been thru' anywhere near as many different tobaccos as the Threadmeister, but agree re. the flavour of any one particular NET seeming to tail off over time. I now rotate 'tween 'Old Holborn' (a UK RYO Blend that I smoked for >30yrs...), Straight Latakia, B. Cav., Red Virg., (ie. single varietal 'blending tobaccos'), Philippine Sumatra cigar, a NET+ Inawera Honey/Walnut mix & the occasional use of Hangsen's 'Red USA', 'HS Cigar' & 'Arabic' to 'Punk Up' the mix. These are My staples altho' I'll prob. partake of more pipe 'baccy samples as & when I can get 'em!...
Hey Boxster, thanks for your input! I think that the idea that you and @Str8vision recomend about choosing tobaccos from different main catagories is sound advise. I just wish I had them all steeped and ready to vape now. Most of what I have extracted to this point I have really enjoyed. I have tried to steer clear of the really sweet-candy aromatics, and I am not sure that I am really fond of the robust latakia blends. A little latakia seems to go a long way for me. I see that a lot of the english and baltic blends seem to favor the use of latakia. Perhaps I just need to experiment more. I should research latakia. I may find that I like one type better that the others.
I found the link to the oriental tobaccos to be very infornitative! It helped clear up some misconceptions I had.
Thanks for school'in me
.As far as the Yenidje goes, I found some at leafonly.com , but they are currently out of stock right now. They also stock an Izmir and a semi-oriental (whatever that means). Not sure I'll go that way, still looking around.
I also discovered that I have that problem as well. It's taken me a couple of years but I have probably 30-40 different blends mixed and ready, another 20 or so that are aging and 10 or so that are in cold maceration. I take three mods to work everyday and have three at home. All with different flavors. I dry burn and rewicked every other day and change flavors when I do. This has helped getting flavor burnout but, it DID take me a long time to get to this point.
I have the exact same problem, I become desensitized to the flavor of a NET and it seems to fade over time. The only way I've found to overcome this is by rotating through distinctly different NETs throughout the week. Latakia bombs one day, VaPer the next followed by a Black Cavendish blend, then a cigar and etc.. Sometimes I even rotate through multiple NETs in a single day. To do this you need a good variety of well aged NETs at the ready. This is why I began sampling so many different tobacco blends, I wanted at least a dozen different NETs to choose from so that I'd have an ample variety. Unfortunately, I'm picky about flavor so finding a dozen different tobaccos that I liked wasn't easy. So far only one out of twenty tobaccos make the cut. I sample hundreds of tobaccos and blends to find twelve I liked in "liquid" form. That search led to the creation of this thread.
I did not put cigars in my list since Brad P is just starting, and in my experience take the most time to develop into a good juice.
My "hit or miss" ratio is much better than yours, although I have quite a few that are only occasional vapes.
Most of my misses fall into the aromatic category. They sounded better on paper than they turned out as a juice.
Hey Boxster, thanks for your input! I think that the idea that you and @Str8vision recomend about choosing tobaccos from different main catagories is sound advise. I just wish I had them all steeped and ready to vape now. Most of what I have extracted to this point I have really enjoyed. I have tried to steer clear of the really sweet-candy aromatics, and I am not sure that I am really fond of the robust latakia blends. A little latakia seems to go a long way for me. I see that a lot of the english and baltic blends seem to favor the use of latakia. Perhaps I just need to experiment more. I should research latakia. I may find that I like one type better that the others.
I found the link to the oriental tobaccos to be very infornitative! It helped clear up some misconceptions I had.
Thanks for school'in me
As far as the Yenidje goes, I found some at leafonly.com , but they are currently out of stock right now. They also stock an Izmir and a semi-oriental (whatever that means). Not sure I'll go that way, still looking around.
Latakia is definitely an acquired taste. I don't really care for heavy Latakia blends.
I'm never sure whether I'm tasting Latakia or I just burned my cotton wick.
Used judiciously it adds character, to much it overwhelms the other tobaccos.
Concerning the Yenidje and Semi-Oriental sold via LO... I’ve emailed them for some info regarding the OOS issue of these leaves.
The Semi-Oriental will be back as soon as a new crop becomes available. The Yenidje, however, is possibly a leaf of the past. This is a direct quote from the vendors email:
“The Yenidje was the most popular Oriental that we sold, however, the issue is that it would arrive filled with tobacco beetles and then infest the rest of our tobacco. It's been an issue for years and we finally can't risk it anymore. Once we restock the other tobaccos, we will send out an email blast and update the website.
Best Regards,
Monique Spuches
Customer Service Manager
Leaf Only, LLC
440 Middlefield St.
Middletown, CT 06457
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So... there ya go. Darn beetles!
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Concerning the Yenidje and Semi-Oriental sold via LO... I’ve emailed them for some info regarding the OOS issue of these leaves.
The Semi-Oriental will be back as soon as a new crop becomes available. The Yenidje, however, is possibly a leaf of the past. This is a direct quote from the vendors email:
“The Yenidje was the most popular Oriental that we sold, however, the issue is that it would arrive filled with tobacco beetles and then infest the rest of our tobacco. It's been an issue for years and we finally can't risk it anymore. Once we restock the other tobaccos, we will send out an email blast and update the website.
Best Regards,
Monique Spuches
Customer Service Manager
Leaf Only, LLC
440 Middlefield St.
Middletown, CT 06457
—————
So... there ya go. Darn beetles!
I found this note on the web about Yenidje. True or not, I haven't a clue:
"According to Constantinides, the town of Yenidje (also Yenice), which is in Greece (and down valley from the town of Xanthi) was destroyed during the mid 19th century. All of Yenidje's tobacco growers moved up the valley, and began tobacco production along the mountain slopes ("yaka", in the Turkish language) surrounding Xanthi. By the early 20th century, all "Yenidje" tobacco was grown in the yaka fields of Xanthi. Although tobacco is today again growing in the soggy river bottom surrounding the town of Yenidje, it is said to be significantly inferior to the tobacco of Xanthi.
My opinion has been, and continues to be that so called "Yenidje" leaf is Xanthi-Yaka (which is a basma type)."
What maceration process did you use?
Do you think a different maceration process could have resulted in a more robust outcome? Or do you think “what you get is what you get” with this tobacco?
I have a NET bud who is about to try this tobacco as one of his first extractions; he would appreciate words of advice, I’m sure.
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