Yes, yes, yes... be VERY careful about doing a dry burn for too long. I've seen quite a few atties with a melted plastic washer. And once that thing melts, the draw can get quite hard on the atty and it's very tough to get it working right again.
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Yes, yes, yes... be VERY careful about doing a dry burn for too long. I've seen quite a few atties with a melted plastic washer. And once that thing melts, the draw can get quite hard on the atty and it's very tough to get it working right again.
To expand on that thought. This is what the inside of your atty looks like, and here you can see a healthy plastic venturi nozzle. All of the fresh incoming air passes through the hole in the middle.
When the atty overheats, that plastic nozzle melts. This is what a couple of them look like after some serious abuse.
When the atty overheats, that plastic nozzle melts. This is what a couple of them look like after some serious abuse.
I know this is OT so sorry for that - but I haven't seen anything that makes this issue moot. Do you know of any proper research into it?
I've seen plenty of 'studies' on how hot an atty gets with wide ranging results; Most of which say they can't actually measure it.
Red heat doesn't even start till 500C and by the time it's bright red it's more like 800-900C.
Hang On Marc and I will post for the millionth time one of the testing studies done that does indeed render this debate moot.
Sun
Thanks Sun, but that's the same one you already posted a couple of times in this thread. It may show that no acrolein was found under those particular controlled testing conditions but those are not the conditions that our atties/juices/residues are subject to.
For example, what happens to the glycerine traces encased in gunk and heated directly on the coil? Have you seen any practical studies on real case, used atties?
For example, what happens to the glycerine traces encased in gunk and heated directly on the coil? Have you seen any practical studies on real case, used atties?
If you've had one of these atomizers, you know it, and nobody is going to convince you that it's just burning wick or whatever. If you managed to clean your atomizer and make it all better again, you do not have one of these defective atomizers.
A burning atty or primer filled atty doesn't hold a candle to these abominations.
So if you get a stanky atomizer and you think, "Hey! This tastes kinda bad and might be one of those bad ones." It is not! If you stumble onto one there will be no question whatsoever about it. Call your vendor and return it.
UD.
A burning atty or primer filled atty doesn't hold a candle to these abominations.
So if you get a stanky atomizer and you think, "Hey! This tastes kinda bad and might be one of those bad ones." It is not! If you stumble onto one there will be no question whatsoever about it. Call your vendor and return it.
UD.
As I said, the infamous acrolein debate is forclosed for me--Acrolein is a deadly posion with a horrible smell. I have been dripping VG for a year and a half, scene the data, done some testing on my own and I just do not see it. But if you are that hung up on it---by all means keep on it.
Sun
Thank you for stating that so succinctly!
As a newb - I've tended to keep on looking for a solution because at this particular moment, I either figure out a way to vape through the horror, or go back to analogs. For the first time in my life I can say I'm comfortably smoke-free for 3 weeks, and that is monumental!
I've tasted primer, I've tasted burned cart filler, I've tasted "dry atty", I've tasted "swamp ... e-liquid" - and you are right - the taste and sensation that erupts from these things aren't even on the same planet.
I didn't email the supplier again after asking about it 2 weeks ago because I believed what was explained to me as "user error" and I did try soaking it as suggested... and I hate to be a PITA - but now seeing that this really IS a problem for a lot of us at the moment... it's the right thing to do.
Thanks!
To expand on that thought. This is what the inside of your atty looks like, and here you can see a healthy plastic venturi nozzle. All of the fresh incoming air passes through the hole in the middle.
When the atty overheats, that plastic nozzle melts. This is what a couple of them look like after some serious abuse.
OK so - if what a lot of us are complaining about has anything to do with the atty running too hot - could that be what's now causing the impossibly "hard draw"??
Forclosed for you is one thing but moot for the community and pointless to investigate further is quite another.
I am not 'all that hung up on it' just because I don't recognize your report as definitive. In fact, it only scratches the surface of relevance.
With a glycerine base fluid and a heating element capable of well over 3 x the decomposition temperature, I'd logically think it must be possible to create the circumstances that would produce acrolein. And if it can be done on purpose then it can be done by accident.
Until this logic can be proved wrong, I concider this point open and relevant to us all.
Certainly,
Once that hole melts closed, the draw gets unbelievably hard. There's no way to get it back, short of drilling back through the plastic insulator (which is what I do).
The melted units shown were not caused by "dry burning". They were caused by people being noobs (myself included) and not realizing that their atties were running way too hot. And once the hole starts to close up... the atty just runs hotter and hotter. It's a Chernobyl situation....
Hi guys,
I am also having the problem of awful tasting attys. I'm not sure what the issue is, since one of them tasted fine for the first few days and now it's horrid! I've tried the vodka soak but no good... Help! I'm going on a long trip tomorrow and it's not looking good for the other people in the car if I don't have a nicotine system!
I am also having the problem of awful tasting attys. I'm not sure what the issue is, since one of them tasted fine for the first few days and now it's horrid! I've tried the vodka soak but no good... Help! I'm going on a long trip tomorrow and it's not looking good for the other people in the car if I don't have a nicotine system!
dont know but... do you know when you blow your atty to get rid of the prime fluid? well, i noticed the the ceramic piece moved so i placed black to what i think its supposed to be the right spot for it. lets see how it goes. for now its alright! sorry if i posted some nonsense.
How do you move the ceramic piece? Do you mean the white ceramic (??) rectangle?
Also, If what Scottbee explained is what's happening - which on my atties seems to make the most sense of anything I've read so far...
Would someone mind explaining how to "reopen" the melted and fused together venturi hole?
How do I safely take an atty apart to visually inspect it?
Honestly - the "melted venturi" makes total sense and would explain everything I've been experiencing.
If in fact, this bunch of atties run too hot, the horrendous burned taste and smell could be caused by this melting plastic. I'm interested in opening one to find out for sure.
If Scottbee has rescued them by re-drilling the opening - I'd certainly be willing to sacrifice one of my "bad atties" to figure it out! And - if it turns out I discover this to be true? Bonus - I can rescue a couple of more
If I'm wrong? meh - it's already nasty
I say just get yourself a 510 to kr808 adapter and call it a day and use the cartomizers on your "go to" flavors, got tired of using 510s attys. I use my old ones for flavor testing
You can inspect it through the bottom of the atty with good light and a magnifier.
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