CALIFORNIA VAPERS: Things are getting ugly...

[FlamingoTutu]

And the cigar smokers still get a pass.

 

[Lessifer]

And the cigar smokers still get a pass.

No, they're in the same boat we are, asking for the same type of amendment we would support. Well, I'm not sure if it counts as an amendment when it's about half the bill. The other half just doesn't make sense. What workers are they protecting if the only worker is the owner?

 

[nicnik]

Not sure why. The the comment flew over their heads anyway.

The nic we vape is freebase. ANTZ might be tuned in.

 

[zoiDman]

I think the UK Study Needs to be Sent to Every Member of the House and Senate.

This was something that Quelled many of the "Save the Children" pleas. And just about put a Stake thru the Heart of the 2nd Hand Smoke argument.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I thought they mentioned the private cigar rooms, ect still had a pass. One of them asked if that was true and could it be amended. Thought they said yes but not holding my breath. But I can't keep track of it all.

The nic we vape is freebase. ANTZ might be tuned in.

Not like in cigarettes but not going there here.

 

[zoiDman]

I missed it. Oh well, these things just get my blood pressure up anyway.

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BTW - If you want to see it, and if you have taken a Handful of Blood Pressure Meds, you can view it from the Video Archives.

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It is the Assembly Public Health and Developmental Services Committee for August 25th.

 

[Katya]

I think the UK Study Needs to be Sent to Every Member of the House and Senate.

This was something that Quelled many of the "Save the Children" pleas. And just about put a Stake thru the Heart of the 2nd Hand Smoke argument.

From notblowingsmoke:

"States have borrowed against tobacco tax revenue
Sales are increasing to companies not paying into the MSA
Cigarette shipments declined by an above average 6.45% in 2010, following a 9.2% decline in 2009. MSA receipts declined by 5.6% in 2011. The revenue reductions forced California to need debt reserves to meet full interest and minimum serial bond principal repayments for 2011. Since then it has not gotten any better!"

I attended an awards ceremony a few months ago (Academy of Pediatrics). Every speaker mentioned decreasing revenues for public health programs that used to be funded by tobacco taxes (see California Proposition 10 (1998) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.) One speaker (a pulmonologist ) suggested (jokingly, of course) putting cigarette vending machines in schools. Everybody laughed.

I witnessed it myself--true story. So yes, they all know what's going on. The Academy of Pediatrics, the ACS, ALA, CDC, FDA, HHS...

 

[FlamingoTutu]

From notblowingsmoke:

"States have borrowed against tobacco tax revenue
Sales are increasing to companies not paying into the MSA
Cigarette shipments declined by an above average 6.45% in 2010, following a 9.2% decline in 2009. MSA receipts declined by 5.6% in 2011. The revenue reductions forced California to need debt reserves to meet full interest and minimum serial bond principal repayments for 2011. Since then it has not gotten any better!"

I attended an awards ceremony a few months ago (Academy of Pediatrics, OC Chapter). Every speaker mentioned decreasing revenues for public health programs that used to be funded by tobacco taxes. One speaker (a pulmonologist ) suggested (jokingly, of course) putting cigarette vending machines in schools. Everybody laughed.

I witnessed it myself--true story. So yes, they all know what's going on. The Academy of Pediatrics, the ACS, ALA, CDC, FDA, HHS...

I have no pity for them. Time to find another revenue stream. .......s. (I mean the state.)

 

[zoiDman]

From notblowingsmoke:

"States have borrowed against tobacco tax revenue
Sales are increasing to companies not paying into the MSA
Cigarette shipments declined by an above average 6.45% in 2010, following a 9.2% decline in 2009. MSA receipts declined by 5.6% in 2011. The revenue reductions forced California to need debt reserves to meet full interest and minimum serial bond principal repayments for 2011. Since then it has not gotten any better!"

I attended an awards ceremony a few months ago (Academy of Pediatrics, OC Chapter). Every speaker mentioned decreasing revenues for public health programs that used to be funded by tobacco taxes (see California Proposition 10 (1998) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.) One speaker (a pulmonologist ) suggested (jokingly, of course) putting cigarette vending machines in schools. Everybody laughed.

I witnessed it myself--true story. So yes, they all know what's going on. The Academy of Pediatrics, the ACS, ALA, CDC, FDA, HHS...

Oh I know.

And it isn't like California has been Rolling around in a Big Fat Surplus so those Missing MSA Dollars aren't Meaningful.

 

[zoiDman]

I have no pity for them. Time to find another revenue stream. .......s. (I mean the state.)

It time to do the Unthinkable.... Cut Spending.

 

[Katya]

I have no pity for them. Time to find another revenue stream. .......s. (I mean the state.)

I have no pity on them, believe me. But it explains why they are all supporting taxes on e-cigs.

 

[Katya]

It time to do the Unthinkable.... Cut Spending.

Say what?

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I have no pity on them, believe me. But it explains why they are all supporting taxes on e-cigs.

That part I get. Then they say they want to get people to cut back on smoking. When they do, they whine even louder. Still trying to wrap my head around the logic of 0 nic being a tobacco product. Did you see their faces when they found out food had nic in it? Shock, then just brush it aside like it was never mentioned.

 

[zoiDman]

That part I get. Then they say they want to get people to cut back on smoking. When they do, they whine even louder. Still trying to wrap my head around the logic of 0 nic being a tobacco product. Did you see their faces when they found out food had nic in it? Shock, then just brush it aside like it was never mentioned.

I thought it was Good that the Women speaking mentioned that 10 ~ 15% of the e-Liquids that her shop sold were 0mg.

 

[Katya]

I thought it was Good that the Women speaking mentioned that 10 ~ 15% of the e-Liquids that her shop sold were 0mg.

I'm only disappointed that nobody mentioned that Nicorette and other NRT products have been recently approved for long-term use (by Dr. M. Hamburg herself) for people who want nicotine but try to stay away from smoking. Apparently, nicotine is not as harmful or habit-forming as tobacco smoke.

That was a lost opportunity.

Or maybe Big Pharma has deeper pockets than Big Tobacco.

 

[DC2]

My understanding from this thread is that two people spoke and that one was Gregory Conley.
(Formerly of CASAA and now representing the American Vaping Association)

And my understanding is that none of the other people that showed up got to speak.
Just say their name and whether they were for or against.

So a couple of questions...

1) Who are the two people that spoke for vapers?
2) Did anyone else get to speak for vapers besides those two?
3) Is there a way to watch only the part where those supporting vaping spoke?

There is no way I can watch those opposed to vaping speak anymore.
I lost that ability a few years ago.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

I'm only disappointed that nobody mentioned that Nicorette and other NRT products have been recently approved for long-term use (by Dr. M. Hamburg herself) for people who want nicotine but try to stay away from smoking. Apparently, nicotine is not as harmful or habit-forming as tobacco smoke.

That was a lost opportunity.

Or maybe Big Pharma has deeper pockets than Big Tobacco.

Or that some of those products are approved for 11 and up.

 

[zoiDman]

I'm only disappointed that nobody mentioned that Nicorette and other NRT products have been recently approved for long-term use (by Dr. M. Hamburg herself) for people who want nicotine but try to stay away from smoking. Apparently, nicotine is not as harmful or habit-forming as tobacco smoke.

That was a lost opportunity.

Or maybe Big Pharma has deeper pockets than Big Tobacco.

That is a Good Point.

And in a More Perfect World, you would be able to have More Time to make an Argument Against a piece of Legislation.

3 Minutes Isn't very long for an Issue such as what we saw Today.

 

[Katya]

Or that some of those products are approved for 11 and up.

And they come in bold fruity flavors:

 

[FlamingoTutu]

My understanding from this thread is that two people spoke and that one was Gregory Conley.
(Formerly of CASAA and now representing the American Vaping Association)

And my understanding is that none of the other people that showed up got to speak.
Just say their name and whether they were for or against.

So a couple of questions...

1) Who are the two people that spoke for vapers?
2) Did anyone else get to speak for vapers besides those two?
3) Is there a way to watch only the part where those supporting vaping spoke?

There is no way I can watch those opposed to vaping speak anymore.
I lost that ability a few years ago.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. Greg and a woman who own a vape shop spoke. Only two, I think, were allowed to speak from each side. THose supporting got to mention their names, where they were from, who they worked for or which shop(s) they owned and that they were for or against. Anything more and their mics were cut off. zoiD had a link to the replay, just jump ahead to avoid the paid supporters.

See if I can find the link.