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Thanks, you're the genius.
I and another pinoy have been using the "diaper" setup for months, hit or miss, mostly miss for me. Not worth sharing since I never figured out how it works when it worked. Here's one of the threads http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/451500-cotton-wicks-4.html#post10311281
Now it's quite clear. Just a little fine tuning is all that's needed. Thanks.
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9 wraps of 26G nichrome on a 1.5mm bit, ~.5 ohms. I played with various wick set ups, and decided that for me tight wick to coil apposition is really important.
Dice and Jeremy, I tried what I think you guys are describing, and it works great, but I noticed the vapor wasn't as dense as I wanted it. Loose internal or external wicks seem to create more sputtering and violent dry-ups at the end of the hit (That "Hsssssssssst" sound and the taste of metal)
I took a piece of cotton and rolled it, breaking the fluffy rule. Then I went around the coil and long leg...inside and outside the long leg. I hope this video shows where it ended up.
Hopefully you can see that the coil is ~1mm off the base, and there isn't any cotton between the lowest coil and air hole. No gurgles this way at all. With the tight wick around the outside the vapor has no choice but to shoot up in a very concentrated form. I might be nuts, but I think I can taste and see the difference.
(btw this was all done with a battery drained to 3.7...fresh battery doubles the ridiculousness
Cyrus,
tried wrapping wick like you described, but it looks like you went between the long leg twice in the video, or did you go up and over? I tried through the long leg and behind, worked great till I assembled and filled with juice. Then the chamber became totally saturated with juice. Then tried through the loop of the long leg twice, similar results. Trimmed the tails and seemed to help but to get it to vape had to turn it up to 6 volts ~14.4 watts. Will try again with some thinner rolled cotton, was getting the volcanic eruption of vape just like in your vid, worked great in the dripping mode with funnel cap on, but once I filled it up, way to much juice wicked in, so that under 10 watts, the coil couldn't keep up. Vape's a bit warm at 14.4 watts, and the nic hit nocked me on my azz, and that's at 13mg nic level.
Nice build nuker. Straight off... After you get a fresh tank going.. unscrew your tank on the pro to prevent dry hits. Watch for bubbles rising, I would keep going till no more bubbles rise. Turn back to where the last bubble rises and vape from there. No leaks and you now have juice control on the protank. I usually run mine 2-3 full turns loose. Tighten it down whenever you need to slow juice flow. I leave mine open until it gets pocketed. The jostling will disrupt tank pressure and leak. Tighten it back up before pocketing.
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dual dragon on Trident is a choker... (video)
replaced cotton top with slipped on ekowool with also uses dragon coil setup...
replaced cotton top with slipped on ekowool with also uses dragon coil setup...
Hey dice. When I take it apart I'm going to be very careful to reverse what I did and probably write it down for both of our sakes, because already my memory is kind of fuzzy lol. I know for sure I def went through the inner/coil side of the long leg once, and then afterwards went through the outer side of the long leg once. A single piece of cotton was used and I ended up with two tails in the wick beds.
Now I haven't checked again because my multimeter doesn't seem to like the Russian measured at the atty connector, can't get a stable reading. But at the posts I was getting .5 ohm. On my nemesis clone with a fresh 18650 I get 3.97-4.02 typically with single coil drippers around .5 ohms, the russian may cause more of a voltage drop (I wouldn't be surprised to be honest, for some reason my bigger tanks always do, which makes zero sense to me).
So figure I'm vaping from 3.8-4.0V at .5 until I get bored and change the battery. That's 28.88 to 32 watts. It's a very "wet" vape for sure, which is part of why the flavor is off the wall I think. I could see lower watts having major problems on this build (plus I'm using thick wire, 26G nichrome).
Are you sure it was actual overwicking and not just juice spit back into the air hole? What I've noticed is if I'm truly flooding the chamber, I'll get juice running out of the air hole on the side of the tank. If I draw without hitting the button it'll be there gurgling like crazy. In contrast when things aren't flooded by I'm getting spit back either because the coil is too low, or cotton is too close to the airhole, there is no gurgle on a buttonless pull or juice running out of the airhole, but a ton of sputtering and gurgling when I hit the power.
Anyway let me know. When I take it apart I'll try and undo the wicks slowly on camera and post it up.
EDIT: Also on my earlier provari set up I was running 1.7 ohms at full blast, ~15 watts. That was a 'wet' vape also, needed the power.
I don't have any SS rope so I decided to give the ITEO genesis a whirl with mesh. I just lifted the nano coil, wrapped over the coil area twice and did some kind of nonsense to cover the legs and make sure everything was secure. Than a worked the wick into the hole, and lowered the coil/cotton assembly right onto the SS wick.
I'm sorry for the poor video quality, I'm having trouble with IOS 7 compressing the hell out of my videos. .... Used to be able to select "email" from a photo or video in IOS 6 and then select the quality you wanted to send it to yourself at. Apparently not anymore.
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The funniest part is, I can't get a single dry hit out of this thing (~0.6 ohms, fresh battery on a sigelei 19b). It wicks!
Thanks ITEO
I'm sorry for the poor video quality, I'm having trouble with IOS 7 compressing the hell out of my videos. .... Used to be able to select "email" from a photo or video in IOS 6 and then select the quality you wanted to send it to yourself at. Apparently not anymore.
(click for video)
The funniest part is, I can't get a single dry hit out of this thing (~0.6 ohms, fresh battery on a sigelei 19b). It wicks!
Thanks ITEO
Cyrus, Yeah was over wicking like crazy. Was to thick of cotton, took off the funnel cap and entire chamber was filled to the brim. Could barely pull a vape through it. Did it again with less cotton, to much less, was on the edge of the burn taste one gets right before the Russian is out of juice. Did it again with the thickness of the rolled cotton that it could pass easily through the wire leg loop, wrapped around coil and behind wire leg loop then into opposite juice bed. One tail in each juice bed. Working great so far. Just cranked the volts up to max on the Provari, and did notice an increase in juiciness of the vape.
Think the critical points on this wrap are a good density of your cotton rolled wick, not to thick, not to thin, covering both sides of the long wire leg, when I ran twice through the loop and not behind it, the leg was getting to warm producing that almost out of juice pre-burn taste. Also the length of the wick legs can be a factor, me thinks. I left just enough to touch down at the end of the juice beds, and seems to handle chain vapping with out a problem. Able to screw down the combustion collar without catching the cotton, No gurgling or spattering, sounds like hitting the steam button on the iron when taking a vape, whoosh whoosh whoosh, nice tasty vape.
Was just going to update this when you clicked my like. Will have to see how this puppy holds up after a few tank fills. I just started DIY juice, and running it at 80% VG, happy to say the Volcanic Dragon Vapes the high VG juice well. Vaping Captain Black Tobacco with a dash of Cinnamon Danish, Very tastey!! Just mixed a sample batch of Dragon Fruit, so will be feeding the Dragon some Dragon juice when I get up. lol
My current coil is a 13-15 wrap, can't recall exactly, lol, thinking it's 28awg, measures 2.5ohms. Used a large paper clip to wrap it, so it's a bit smaller than a 1/16" drill bit. Probably close to 3/64". Will try a 10 wrap next to get the ohms down a bit. Sure glad I went to DIY juice, the way the Volcanic Dragon consumes the juice. Not a hyper miler for sure. lol And thankfully cotton is cheap too, must of wicked the Russian four times tonight and still haven't used a full ball.
Think the critical points on this wrap are a good density of your cotton rolled wick, not to thick, not to thin, covering both sides of the long wire leg, when I ran twice through the loop and not behind it, the leg was getting to warm producing that almost out of juice pre-burn taste. Also the length of the wick legs can be a factor, me thinks. I left just enough to touch down at the end of the juice beds, and seems to handle chain vapping with out a problem. Able to screw down the combustion collar without catching the cotton, No gurgling or spattering, sounds like hitting the steam button on the iron when taking a vape, whoosh whoosh whoosh, nice tasty vape.
Was just going to update this when you clicked my like. Will have to see how this puppy holds up after a few tank fills. I just started DIY juice, and running it at 80% VG, happy to say the Volcanic Dragon Vapes the high VG juice well. Vaping Captain Black Tobacco with a dash of Cinnamon Danish, Very tastey!! Just mixed a sample batch of Dragon Fruit, so will be feeding the Dragon some Dragon juice when I get up. lol
My current coil is a 13-15 wrap, can't recall exactly, lol, thinking it's 28awg, measures 2.5ohms. Used a large paper clip to wrap it, so it's a bit smaller than a 1/16" drill bit. Probably close to 3/64". Will try a 10 wrap next to get the ohms down a bit. Sure glad I went to DIY juice, the way the Volcanic Dragon consumes the juice. Not a hyper miler for sure. lol And thankfully cotton is cheap too, must of wicked the Russian four times tonight and still haven't used a full ball.
I don't have any SS rope so I decided to give the ITEO genesis a whirl with mesh. I just lifted the nano coil, wrapped over the coil area twice and did some kind of nonsense to cover the legs and make sure everything was secure. Than a worked the wick into the hole, and lowered the coil/cotton assembly right onto the SS wick.
I'm sorry for the poor video quality, I'm having trouble with IOS 7 compressing the hell out of my videos. .... Used to be able to select "email" from a photo or video in IOS 6 and then select the quality you wanted to send it to yourself at. Apparently not anymore.
(click for video)
The funniest part is, I can't get a single dry hit out of this thing (~0.6 ohms, fresh battery on a sigelei 19b). It wicks!
Thanks ITEO
WOW....just....wow. Very nice results
This "Dragon" coil is just the trick in a Fogger V2. Big clouds, amazing flavor, and dead simple coil installation. Wick assembly is a little tougher, but doable with a pair of tweezers.
Is it leak free when you put the tank on? I find that the evod/protank coil heads are very sensitive to wick positioning and quantity. I'm interested in trying this setup on my evods, so i'm just wondering how you are keeping the gurgling and leaks at bay. Thanks
I set mine up so the air hole is at the bottom of the coil. Cotton acts as a funnel to pull the air through the coil.
sent while dripping and driving
sent while dripping and driving
I angle it this way to give me a warmer vape. It's how I bed the cotton wick. If you read my write up on how to set the cotton, you will see/read that I tuck the end of the cotton under the positive lead. But it does not stop there... it's also how I wrap the coil. I wrap the coil accordingly to either be a single venting or a dual venting Dragon
Different diameter coil gives you different resistance parameters so I can't really answer your second question.
Just finished this for the people that I joined with on a group buy of the Rocket rba. Believe this is the same way Cyrus does his, at least its my interoperation of our vape effort. Figured since I went to all the effort to figure how to post this, I'd share it with the group that inspired the creation of the Volcanic Dragon Vertical Build. If you figure out a better way or an improvement let us know. Thanks again Iteo, Cyrus and Jeremy and all the other dragon slayers.
this is shot of my vertical mounted coil:
I use needle nose tweezers to bend the wire legs.
Coil Hot:
this is the fluffy cotton used for wick:
this is cotton rolled for wicking:
threading cotton between long leg lead and coil
view from the other side:
wrapping around the coil and around the long leg:
totally wrapped, ready to trim:
all trimmed and ready for sleeve and juice:
Containment ring installed ready to saturate:
Wick saturated ready to test fire:
There she blows:
Note that the top hole and bottom hole of the coil are not covered allowing air to rush through the middle producing good vape. Also to much cotton and it will over wick and fill the whole chamber with juice, to little cotton and she's a bit warm, get pre-burned taste similar to what you get before she's totally dry. Just right and this baby wicks like crazy, can cook it at 15 watts for very juicy thick vape, and not to hot, just nice and warm. Of course depending on the flavor sometimes is bring it down to 14.5 watts to find it's sweet spot. I now have 3 tanks set up with the Volcanic Dragon Build, 1 Russian and 2 rockets. My last 2 builds used 28awg with 10 wraps around a medium large paper clip measuring 1.8+1.9 ohms. Can crank them up to just over 15.2 watts before my Provari gives me an E2 error. Fraking awesome Vape.!!!
this is shot of my vertical mounted coil:
I use needle nose tweezers to bend the wire legs.
Coil Hot:
this is the fluffy cotton used for wick:
this is cotton rolled for wicking:
threading cotton between long leg lead and coil
view from the other side:
wrapping around the coil and around the long leg:
totally wrapped, ready to trim:
all trimmed and ready for sleeve and juice:
Containment ring installed ready to saturate:
Wick saturated ready to test fire:
There she blows:
Note that the top hole and bottom hole of the coil are not covered allowing air to rush through the middle producing good vape. Also to much cotton and it will over wick and fill the whole chamber with juice, to little cotton and she's a bit warm, get pre-burned taste similar to what you get before she's totally dry. Just right and this baby wicks like crazy, can cook it at 15 watts for very juicy thick vape, and not to hot, just nice and warm. Of course depending on the flavor sometimes is bring it down to 14.5 watts to find it's sweet spot. I now have 3 tanks set up with the Volcanic Dragon Build, 1 Russian and 2 rockets. My last 2 builds used 28awg with 10 wraps around a medium large paper clip measuring 1.8+1.9 ohms. Can crank them up to just over 15.2 watts before my Provari gives me an E2 error. Fraking awesome Vape.!!!
So do you still use the center cone coil cover and plastic shield with this setup? Would think one would almost have to, to control flooding. What is your wrap device? a 1/16" bit, a small paper clip? How many wraps, wire gauge and what's it ohm out at? Like what I see so far, but when I used a PT could always suck it dry without any flooding issues.
Are you saturating your wick with juice before slapping it into the PT? Know that if the standard PT tank build, is not allowed sufficient time for wick saturation to occur, there will be flooding issues.
Sorry for all the question, just have an old PT2 lying around collecting dust, and may want to give this a shot, since I have 3 Kayfun style tanks built and loaded. or is that lock and loaded. lol Keep up the good work!!
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