Congressional hearing on E-cigs

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I would like to know if there still are new members who recently quit smoking thanks to vaping.
Sure. It's not monolithic.

This crap won't help though. I predict the vilification is only temporary. Right now they vilify the RCP reports and such, but when the takeover is done, they'll miraculously produce their own reports showing how their solution is safer. Further, they'll change cigs/smoking.

So there's about to be 10's of millions more switching, they just don't know it yet, and they won't have much of a choice.
 

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Sure. It's not monolithic.

This crap won't help though. I predict the vilification is only temporary. Right now they vilify the RCP reports and such, but when the takeover is done, they'll miraculously produce their own reports showing how their solution is safer. Further, they'll change cigs/smoking.

So there's about to be 10's of millions more switching, they just don't know it yet, and they won't have much of a choice.
The big hint was when Gottlieb said they wanted to reduce the nic in cigs to minimal non addictive levels. This new lung damage phenomena couldn't have happened at a better time to accelerate things. The CDC claiming they really don't know what is causing this??? It was sickening how many times the CDC head said the words youth epidemic in her testimony.

Also the repeated "we just don't know enough at this time". This all seems like the perfect storm hitting, and when it's over...who knows?
 

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Awesome job, Ms. Porter.

Tlaib- "Are you a conspiracy theorist, Ms. Porter? Because (hold my beer), let me prove that I am." And "You're still a smoker, nah-nah-na-naaah-nah!"

Lord help us. And I don't mean just vaping.

edit: Oh, forgot Pressley: "If we allow vaping, 891 million children in the US will vape." I guess vaping can cause quite the population explosion.
 
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Ms. Porter is one of the those voices of reason, it happens at times, even in congress. She said what any of us would have said if we had a voice. Will it be enough? I don't know. The immediate follow-up from the chairman, and others seems like they didn't hear a word she said or it made no difference.

The counter arguments point out the problem. Nobody had their mind changed.

The really sad thing is we know with absolute certainty that smoking is dangerous, full of known harmful chemicals. So to say 'we don't know if vaping is safe', if that really is the bar, why again are cigarettes still being sold? Why is congress avoiding that topic? No need to answer that.

Okay lets say congress is not acting out of ignorance, then the next explanation is worse.
 

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The part of the hearing I listened to between the congressment and the CDC lady was scripted, start to finish. No intention of fact finding. Looks to me like anti vaping is on the list of Democrat issues. It's interesting to me that all the government people I hear never smoked, never vaped, hate they have to spend their valuable time on it and are intentionally, insultingly stupid and uninformed, to show their contempt for the vaping deplorables.
 

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Looks to me like anti vaping is on the list of Democrat issues. It's interesting to me that all the government people I hear never smoked, never vaped, hate they have to spend their valuable time on it and are intentionally, insultingly stupid and uninformed, to show their contempt for the vaping deplorables.

I doubt it is a red vs blue issue, but yes, democrats jump on this one too.

It's an easy kill to get votes for both sides. I am red at heart, though prefer any voice of reason, but both are jumping on this bandwagon. Sin taxes and bans are easy votes. Right now we who vape are the target, going after us is easy.

It is about politics though, it's pretty much impossible to speak or write about this without it becoming political to some degree.

I mean once again, 'save the kids' is such a good slogan, what politician won't jump on that? They are not altruists looking out for your good. They are seeking power, money, and all of that is fine, but to see them as Mommy Teresa, ugh.
 
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Thank you for sharing this. I was unable to watch this, nor had enough time to seek out and listen through the whole thing.

I was totally impressed with her opening statement. How many millions of smokers could tell a similar story?

The counter arguments point out the problem. Nobody had their mind changed.
I disagree. There certainly are some that already have their mind made up and won't listen to reason.

However, with this recent "crisis", along with some other, unrelated attacks on our personal freedoms in the US, those people are having to be less sneaky about their hidden agendas. In just the testimony clip in my first quote, the gloves came off.

The chairman, Rep. Krishnamoorthi, was clear, and even condescending, about refusing to listen and consider testimony.

Dr. Rizzo seemed to care more about his own credibility than national health, the way he dismissed the UK study. Had he been really interested in the health of smokers, he would have at least mentioned that it was being investigated. Instead, he dismissed it out of hand.

Rep. Pressley just took a pot shot by quoting some obviously creative statistics, then yielded so that there was no possibility for a challenge.

Rep. Tlaib was even more blatant and attacked Ms. Porter's credibility on matters unrelated to the discussion topic.

They aren't even trying to hide their contempt for people who are affected by government restriction or prohibition of legal products consumed by law abiding citizens.

However, it was clear that some other representatives were listening. Even the ones that seemed predisposed against vaping, were asking good questions and getting great answers. I think it will serve to produce support for opposition. Regular people who vote will see this. It's the counter-point that the news media needs to present an interesting story people will watch or click on, no matter how biased the source may be. People are getting sick of one-sided, agenda driven "reporting." The counterpoint is compelling, because there aren't too many people who can say they don't have beloved family members, or even know anyone, struggling with smoking.

No. I don't think this hearing, in and of itself, will move lawmakers that were in attendance by much. However, I do believe it is one of a few channels that gets the truth out to the general public that otherwise doesn't care about vape related issues beyond what they see on their Facebook feed.

Vicki (Porter) McKenna is fairly popular talk show host in southeastern WI. She'll bring up vape issues on her show and discuss it like no other talk show host I'm familiar with. Always enjoy listening to her talk about vaping.
She keeps it real, no doubt about that. I can see why she's popular there.
 

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The scary thing IMO is they were clearly aware of the RCP report (not to say it's the only well-done study on this topic - it's not, but it's the biggie as I see it) and were ready to pounce when/if it was ever brought up. The moment Porter brought it up, they pounced and dismissed it. That shows they were aware of it, and did not want it to be a part of the conversation.
 

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The scary thing IMO is they were clearly aware of the RCP report (not to say it's the only well-done study on this topic - it's not, but it's the biggie as I see it) and were ready to pounce when/if it was ever brought up. The moment Porter brought it up, they pounced and dismissed it. That shows they were aware of it, and did not want it to be a part of the conversation.
LOL. Really it's informed, totally in the know elitist decision makers acting like the general public is too stupid to understand such important matters.

I didn't think it was possible for anyone to have their head buried in the sand that deep. But I was wrong. And (collective) we keep electing those people.

My theory is they keep getting elected because nobody with common sense, or isn't on some special interest payroll, wants the job.
 

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The scary thing IMO is they were clearly aware of the RCP report (not to say it's the only well-done study on this topic - it's not, but it's the biggie as I see it) and were ready to pounce when/if it was ever brought up. The moment Porter brought it up, they pounced and dismissed it. That shows they were aware of it, and did not want it to be a part of the conversation.

Yes, I thought that part in particular seemed to be contrived or rehearsed. It played out exactly like they wanted it to.
 
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Watching the congressional hearing now, its looking real bad for vapers. Now other way to look at it. Up until today I had been optimistic. It's a sad day.

It's sad that it only took an illegal black market street drug that had absolutely nothing in common with nicotine vaping which created a health crisis that will destroy an entire industry which could have saved 480,000 lives a year. In the end, we vapers will will be the ones who will suffer. Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, and our corrupted policy makers win. I guess the odds were against us from the beginning.

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It's pretty clear to me that Congress is going to demand an emergency ban on all vaping products. The end is here.

I suggest if you need anything vape related, you order it today or tomorrow. US suppliers aren't going to order more product. When everything in stock is sold, that's it.


Myself, I'm going to order quantities of my two favorite commercial e-liquid flavors. I'm stocked with everything else.
 
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Watching the congressional hearing now, its looking real bad for vapers. Now other way to look at it. Up until today I had been optimistic. It's a sad day.

It's sad that it only took an illegal black market street drug that had absolutely nothing in common with nicotine vaping which created a health crisis that will destroy an entire industry which could have saved 480,000 lives a year. In the end, we vapers will will be the ones who will suffer. Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, and our corrupted policy makers win. I guess the odds were against us from the beginning.
I watched a couple youtube vids on the MA ban, and in one they interviewed a random person on the street, happened to be a mother who said, Great! She said she was glad they are doing something to protect her kids. The psyop has done it's job...
 

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So far legit vaping has harmed nobody, and helped many of us get off smoking; I have no research paper to back that up, just common sense and what others have said here and elsewhere.

We also all knew that vaping would come under fire at some point, others have explained why far better then I can.

We are here today because Melania had a son, 'together', because of the 'fake' news that is the real news when on a whim it's real news.

And now the politicians are jumping on this. At least half of us realize politicians are weasels, but half really do believe whatever they say, the people who want a big dad or mom to figure out the hard issues. Can't fix that.

Which 50 percent (almost) will win? Well if you really are red, less government interference vote for don't mess with our right to vape. We are hurting nobody else.
 

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nooooooooooo. I just clicked reply on Darren's post.

Nah, the right felt no guilt over calling obama, obummer, or being critical. If it was about honor the president then why did that happen? This is what happens when you open up of that gates of let's not be PC, you are going to get nasty stuff back too.

Trump whines over any negative news report, yep, that is what happens when you open the lets not be PC flood gates.
 

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It's pretty clear to me that Congress is going to demand an emergency ban on all vaping products. The end is here.

I suggest if you need anything vape related, you order it today or tomorrow. US suppliers aren't going to order more product. When everything in stock is sold, that's it.


Myself, I'm going to order quantities of my two favorite commercial e-liquid flavors. I'm stocked with everything else.
I probably been zooming in on this too much lately, but I've officially panicked. I'll probably get cussed out for the order size and bad timing finance-wise, but I just shored up my supply of nic base. When that box hits the porch tomorrow or Friday, I'll be set for life provided the other food products I need to complete a recipe remain easily available.
 
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@DarrenMG there is a place for that talk on this forum, it's called The Outside!. If you want to debate who is right or wrong in politics that is the place to do it. Feel free to go start a thread there, I may even come post in there why you are wrong.
 
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