Dark Truth behind e cigarettes ..A rant

[Bob Chill]

But we have to keep fighting the "where and when" battle because that strengthens us and brings us together while sharpening our approach for the main battle.
Every time we fight a vaping-is-smoking ban, we expose our opponents weaknesses, hone our arguments, and educate people along the way.

I'm a fighter for sure. I've been active in trade organizations and I hate being told what to do when it makes no sense. With this specific issue I fear that fighting for a right to vape in places that I can't smoke cigarettes brings unwanted attention and raises the risk for collateral damage that nobody here wants.

The vaping world is still the wild west in the grand scheme. Wild west's don't exist much in America anymore. At least not for long anyways. It's a double edged sword. There is no easy or magical way the whole thing can play out over the next year or 3.

And Soba1, I do expect miracles and have seen amazing things. But none of them include the regulatory bodies of the US government.

 

[DC2]

It's a double edged sword.

It sure is.

 

[Bmannator]

It seems you're talking about 2 separate issues here. The first being people's ignorance and fear of things they don't understand. Throw in a little self-righteous indignation, and... I think you can see where this is going. It's what we do.

The other would be the government's interest in getting a piece of the action. Both of these things are irresistible forces.

Ignorance is greed's best friend.

 

[Caridwen]

If 50 people gather in a restaurant and fog the place up without consideration of their fellow diners, I fully expect the restaurant staff to do something about it.

People need to stop thinking that vaping gives them the right to vape anywhere that they please without considering their actions. It's one of my major pet peeves in that people don't think about the possible repercussions of their actions. If we all are courteous when out in public and stop carrying that shoulder chip around, I think we'd see a greater acceptance in the long run.

People need to stop being belligerent when they're out in public, and stop forcing the issue. Public perception IS everything when it comes to vaping and those that refuse to use common sense are hurting the cause more than helping it.

Does that really happen though? I have yet to see a bunch of people go wild and crazy with the vape.

I rarely see many people smoking cigarettes anymore. Just my luck, I live in an area where smoking is pretty unacceptable, I think my state has an 18% percent smoking rate. Not huge. What percentage of that may now vape? 1-5%? I think our key to making this successful is not to worry about the non-smokers so much- they hate smoking period. But to turn those 18% percent into vapers. The only way they're going to try it is if they see someone vaping.

Rude people are going to be rude. We can't control everyone. But if we hide away, the ANTZ aren't going to give us a cookie and let us vape because we've been polite about it. Just use common sense. If they have a law against it as they do in my state, don't. If they don't, politely ask first.

 

[retired1]

Does that really happen though? I have yet to see a bunch of people go wild and crazy with the vape.

I was taking the OPs hypothetical situation a step further.

Rude people are going to be rude. We can't control everyone. But if we hide away, the ANTZ aren't going to give us a cookie and let us vape because we've been polite about it. Just use common sense. If they have a law against it as they do in my state, don't. If they don't, politely ask first.

Which was pretty much my point. There's no need to hide, but walking into an establishment with a chip on your shoulder and forcing the issue isn't going to do the cause any favors. It's like the individual who walks into the grocery store and continues to vape after someone asks them to refrain from doing so (there's a thread here on ECF talking about that).

Regardless of how one feels about the anti everything crowd, we're already grabbing the short end of the stick.

 

[Signal30]

You know what's amazing? You can feel a lot better about yourself and the situation once you learn to accept that you cannot control what people think, do, or act. You can however control your attitude towards the situation. My personal opinion is, is that I am going to vape. If public places will not let me vape, I will go to the area outside where I am allowed to vape with the smokers.

My whole world does not revolve around vaping. I live and let live.

 

[Talyon]

I understand your fear OP, we have a life saving mechanism going on here and very few know about it, but this is slowly changing.

Saving our lives should be our governments main responsibility, not regulating us to death.

I suggest money well have alot to do with Vapeing in da end.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I agree with you Vape... I can only imagine how much backdoor money the tobacco lobby is throwing around behind the scenes to kill ecigs.

BT is embracing the e-cig .. as analog smokers decline, the PV is going to be important to the future cash flow ..

 

[Caridwen]

I was taking the OPs hypothetical situation a step further.




Which was pretty much my point. There's no need to hide, but walking into an establishment with a chip on your shoulder and forcing the issue isn't going to do the cause any favors. It's like the individual who walks into the grocery store and continues to vape after someone asks them to refrain from doing so (there's a thread here on ECF talking about that).

Regardless of how one feels about the anti everything crowd, we're already grabbing the short end of the stick.

True!

 

[seamor512]

I don't understand the concept of even wanting to smoke in a wal-mart, or in a public restaurant. At a bar drinking and want to vape without disturbing anyone else that is so used to smoke they won't care, hell ya i can see that. I have never wanted to smoke or vape around any of my friends at a get together while just simply eating dinner. Don't care if it bothers others or not, it looks trashy.

The best part of vaping to me (as far as hell ya I can do that) is being able to smoke in my own home without a single worry of the wife or dog being effected by it. Smell wise or health wise. Or being able to vape in the car and not worry about stinking it up.

 

[DC2]

I don't understand the concept of even wanting to smoke in a wal-mart, or in a public restaurant.

Sports bar? A bottle of wine or a few drinks over dinner?

 

[III BIRDMAN III]

If 50 people gather in a restaurant and fog the place up without consideration of their fellow diners, I fully expect the restaurant staff to do something about it.

People need to stop thinking that vaping gives them the right to vape anywhere that they please without considering their actions. It's one of my major pet peeves in that people don't think about the possible repercussions of their actions. If we all are courteous when out in public and stop carrying that shoulder chip around, I think we'd see a greater acceptance in the long run.

People need to stop being belligerent when they're out in public, and stop forcing the issue. Public perception IS everything when it comes to vaping and those that refuse to use common sense are hurting the cause more than helping it.

I totally agree bud...
I stand outside the restaurant with the smokers.
Here you stinky .......s smell my BOBA!!! HeHeHeHe!!!!

Oddly enough the smokers are somewhat intrigued by my shinny mod.
What you smoking on bud?
Oh just a lil bit of heaven

 

[ppeeble]

Hmmmm...... I consider myself to be polite and courteous and will, in general, treat others as i wish to be treated.
Here in England vaping is not illegal and places that have banned the use of PVs are rare. I obviously don't vape anywhere that has specifically prohibited vaping.
But vaping is not against the law. Should i choose to vape in a theatrical fashion (where it has not been prohibited) then that would be my choice. To me it equates to wearing a yellow suit with red clown shoes and a sparkly indigo wig on my head. People may not approve but who has the right to say i shouldn't be doing it.
It's a difficult road that us vapers travel. We want acceptance but we shouldn't have to compromise our RIGHT to vape....
IMO

 

[retired1]

Too many people confuse the word "right" with "to hell with everyone else". Yes, you have a right to vape. And someone in the same room with you has the right to not smell the odor of your vaping or be exposed to the actual vapor that is exhaled. Again, common courtesy is required.

 

[seamor512]

Sports bar? A bottle of wine or a few drinks over dinner?

i did say yes i'd want to at a bar.

 

[DC2]

i did say yes i'd want to at a bar.

Which is also a restaurant in most cases.

But when I mentioned the bottle of wine or a few drinks, I was thinking of a REAL restaurant.
The kind where I might want to hold a small party for people that just want to kick back and relax both before (drinks) and after (vape) dinner.

What are your thoughts on that?

 

[Baldr]

I vape all over the place. The only time anyone has ever asked me not to do it was at a bar, and it was because they thought I was smoking a cig. Once they saw that I was vaping, they were fine with it. (And I didn't have to explain vaping, as soon as he saw my PV he said "Oh, you are fine".)

Yes, by vaping in public it's possible that some tight ... will decide "I have to make that illegal". On the other hand, if I treat it like smoking, and stand out in the cold and the heat and the rain in order to vape, just like they make the smokers do, then it doesn't matter if they make it illegal or not, because I'll already be treating it the same as smoking.

When I was new, I was fairly worried about it. Now I've been vaping awhile, and I'm pretty complacent about it, because nobody ever complains. I've vaped in movie theaters, at the AT&T performing arts center, at the Cirque du Soleil show, in the Perot Science Museum, and at countless restaurants and bars. Sometimes I stealth - it wouldn't be right to blow plumes of vapor up in front of people behind me in the theater. I tend to eat at times when the restaurants are not very busy, and I try to avoid it (or stealth) if kids are around.

But I'm not going to act like I'm smoking. It doesn't have the smell or health implications of smoking, and it's not illegal.

 

[rico942]

At lunch today, I had a co-worker go berserk on me for vaping after the meal. This was at an isolated outdoor restaurant table, no other patrons within 50 feet, and a good breeze ...

The guy started a rant about second hand smoke and how it killed someone he read about in a newspaper. No one else at the table even noticed ...

This is a reasonably intelligent and educated person, an engineer capable of grasping the difference between smoke produced by combustion and vapor from a heated liquid. But the explanation fell on deaf ears, he needed to have a problem with it ...

The real irony is that an idling delivery truck less than 10 feet away was spewing visible chunks of exhaust in our direction, and the driver was smoking, I could smell it clearly. That's probably what set off my co-worker ...

It made me realize that a rabid anti-smoker who sees vaping and simultaneously smells tobacco smoke will put 2 and 2 together and get 22 ...

 

[DC2]

On the other hand, if I treat it like smoking, and stand out in the cold and the heat and the rain in order to vape, just like they make the smokers do, then it doesn't matter if they make it illegal or not, because I'll already be treating it the same as smoking.

How vapers can not understand the obvious truth to your statement is frankly beyond me.
This is really the bottom line, there simply isn't any other bottom line.

 

[seamor512]

Which is also a restaurant in most cases.

But when I mentioned the bottle of wine or a few drinks, I was thinking of a REAL restaurant.
The kind where I might want to hold a small party for people that just want to kick back and relax both before (drinks) and after (vape) dinner.

What are your thoughts on that?

I think it would depend on how crowded the area is. In general, if I think it will bother other people in the area, I wouldn't do it. Can they smell it? probably not. Does it affect their health? Nah, not likely. When people decide to go to a nice restaurant they do not expect or want to see clouds of vapor (in my opinion).