Dark Truth behind e cigarettes ..A rant

[Katcandoo]

I think it would depend on how crowded the area is. In general, if I think it will bother other people in the area, I wouldn't do it. Can they smell it? probably not. Does it affect their health? Nah, not likely. When people decide to go to a nice restaurant they do not expect or want to see clouds of vapor (in my opinion).

When I go to restaurants (or any other public place) there are definitely things I do not expect or want to see, but are not illegal or harmful to me. Unfortunately, the human race never ceases to let me down. What should I do? Should I speak up and ask them to leave because I'm visually offended?

 

[mare ze dotes]

Too many people confuse the word "right" with "to hell with everyone else". Yes, you have a right to vape. And someone in the same room with you has the right to not smell the odor of your vaping or be exposed to the actual vapor that is exhaled. Again, common courtesy is required.

This! Yes. I have not met another vaper but I would not enjoy there vape If I just spent good money on a juicey steak.

 

[BadDaddy4007]

Any time I go to a public establishment, be it a restaurant, bar, dinner theater or what ever, I try to find the person in charge, manager, shift supervisor, and let them know that I vape. I show them what ever device I happen to be carrying, explain to them what it is and what it does. And always ask if they have a problem with me using it inside. 9m times out of 10 they do not have any thing against me or my habit. And let's face it, vaping can be considered a habit.
But on the other hand, I don't feel we should be placed in the same category as the "real smokers" that are congregated around the outside of a diner, bar or what ever, blowing up a storm , that even when I still smoked hated to walk through, looking like they own the world, can't hit a .... can to save their life and then have the audacity to frown upon me when they spot my mod.
We're not the same, never have been, never will be. Sure, some of us were considerate when we still smoked the "real deal", like stepping away from the crowd so as to not over whelm who ever was entering or exiting. Like making sure a dead .... went to the right place, instead of just tossing in on the ground.
It doesn't take a whole lot of effort to either educate, inform or just be plain helpful regarding vaping. Some of the general public have never even heard of e-cigs, even though that is getting harder to believe now a days.
But no matter what we , as vapers, try to accomplish, it only takes one individual who doesn't care about what is right, to do the wrong thing and make all of us look bad. Kind of like a motorcycle parked in the wrong place just because they can because it's slammer then a car. When ever I see it, I tend to ask the driver to not do it because it's not right. They tend to tell me to mind my own business till they realize I ride too and I care about what other people think about what I do.
Enough of a rant I suppose, just my 2 cents worth.

 

[Katcandoo]

Too many people confuse the word "right" with "to hell with everyone else". Yes, you have a right to vape. And someone in the same room with you has the right to not smell the odor of your vaping or be exposed to the actual vapor that is exhaled. Again, common courtesy is required.

Please define "right". Also, define where mine ends and someone else's begins -without using odor (don't get me started on smelly things) or visual (as in don't like the way it looks).

 

[retired1]

Technically? You don't have a "right" to vape. Show me where it's at in the Constitution and I'll gladly change my stance. The fact that states can and do pass laws restricting the use of e-cigarettes is proof of that.

 

[DC2]

I was under the impression that you pretty much had the right to do anything UNLESS there is a law against it.
Are you saying we only have the right to do what someone has determined we have the right to do?

This is just a philosophical question at this point.
I agree with you that ......... vapers are douchebags.

 

[BlueMoods]

Yeah and I have the right not to have my eardrums blown out and last nerve frazzled by some screaming brat in the restaurant too but, hey it happens. When I smoked, if I couldn't smoke there, I stooped going there - yep no eating out period in most states. My partner drives a big truck and, since every Cracker Barrel has a lot big enough to park one (in the bus and RV parking) but refuses to allow him to park so I refuse to patronize them.

Same for vaping, if I can't do it on the property, the business does not need my money.

Now when those same place start telling people to leave when their brat screams and disrupts me, I'll go along with no vaping, no parking, no smoking, etc... but, until they are willing to remove what annoys and aggravates me, I won't go there if I can't do as I choose there. If I have to tolerate being frazzled, annoyed and aggravated to go there, then so should everyone else and, if it's my vaping that causes that, well it's their brat that does it for me so, fair trade I say.

 

[Caridwen]

I think it would depend on how crowded the area is. In general, if I think it will bother other people in the area, I wouldn't do it. Can they smell it? probably not. Does it affect their health? Nah, not likely. When people decide to go to a nice restaurant they do not expect or want to see clouds of vapor (in my opinion).

Some people enjoy being bothered by completely trivial things. I sense that they'd secretly hate it if everyone quit smoking, they won't be able to feel superior or lord it over people anymore.

Funny, before the "oh nos! second hand smoke" people were absolutely fine being around smokers. They may not have loved it but they were accepting of it.

 

[retired1]

While I won't say anything because I was a former smoker, I don't like being around second hand smoke any more. And at times, it really does bother me.

 

[peakcomm]

In general, if I think it will bother other people in the area, I wouldn't do it.

Sharing a little perspective.

40 years ago, when I started to smoke, nobody gave two hoots if I lit up in a bar, a restaurant, a plane or a hospital room. About 15 years ago, I was sitting in a restaurant bar with a bunch of friends. We were ranting about how we were no longer allowed to smoke at the table after dinner and had to move to the bar to light up. One of them said, "I can see the future. Some day, we won't be allowed to smoke anywhere but our own cars and homes. And when they succeed in locking us all up, they'll start on the fat people."

Last week, I heard a fast food worker tell an overweight customer that she "really didn't need the extra large fries and shake." And the woman, stunned, simply stepped away from the counter and left. Not one coworker or customer spoke up.

Including me. Damn.

I'm taking the pledge now. I will not simply submit to the ignorant. I will be respectful and courteous when I can, I will educate those who will learn, but I WILL stand up for myself and anyone else who is NOT harming anyone and NOT doing anything illegal.

And I will vape on.

 

[rico942]

Some people enjoy being bothered by completely trivial things. I sense that they'd secretly hate it if everyone quit smoking, they won't be able to feel superior or lord it over people anymore.

Funny, before the "oh nos! second hand smoke" people were absolutely fine being around smokers. They may not have loved it but they were accepting of it.

Watch any movie made before 1970, everyone smoked, even the animals. Hell, the theaters had ashtrays in the armrests ...

I was on an Amtrak train last weekend, and noticed that there had once been an ashtray inset in the seat arm, and later covered with a metal plate. Must have been a very old car, or a recycled seat ...

 

[mare ze dotes]

For some thing a little different. I dont mind running into smokers. It makes me go I dont do that . I dont do that, I dont do that any more!

 

[Borescoped]

This is a reasonably intelligent and educated person, an engineer capable of grasping the difference between smoke produced by combustion and vapor from a heated liquid.

Educated doesn't necessarily mean they are smart. Many are the people out there with degree's hanging on their walls... and yet their perceptions/biases overrule their education and common sense (which isn't common).

Hmmm.... that reminds me of some of the folks I work for.....

 

[DC2]

Educated doesn't necessarily mean they are smart. Many are the people out there with degree's hanging on their walls... and yet their perceptions/biases overrule their education and common sense (which isn't common).

Hmmm.... that reminds me of some of the folks I work for.....

It's very hard not to be biased. In fact, I would consider it almost an art form.

 

[BlueMoods]

Book smarts does not equal good sense. You might have 10 degrees form the best universities but, that doesn't mean you have one lick of common sense or, you might be a grade school drop out and be the most sensible person I have met.

 

[kristin]

The idea that it is a "right" to breathe clean, fresh air was made up by the ANTZ. There is no such "right." If there was, there would be millions of lawsuits won against vehicle manufacturers and all industries that create foul air - including farms, restaurants, airlines, energy companies and the military. Not to mention property owners with heat and fireplaces.

To quote a blog post I once read about it:

"To put it simply, there is No Such Right.

To pretend that there is ignores the ubiquitous nature of a much more prevalent, and far more dangerous Class A carcinogen that accounts for up to 50% of the contaminants in the air quality of every major city in the US., diesel exhaust. There is no “right” to breathe “clean air”. Just as there is no right to demand that the air inside a privately owned business establishment meet your individual personal preference for “cleanliness”. There can only be a reasonable expectation that the air we all breathe is relatively safe, and until “outside” air is as safe as “inside” air, any such claims of any “right” are without foundation. Any expectation of indoor air quality being something other than promoted through appropriate signage is ludicrous.

The “right to breathe clean air” is not included in the US Constitution as a personal right nor is breathing clean air even possible or logical to assume. Like the declaratory statement “No Safe level”, the claim of a “right to breathe clean air” is flatly absurd."

Speaking of airplanes...

 

[The Ocelot]

Some people enjoy being bothered by completely trivial things. I sense that they'd secretly hate it if everyone quit smoking, they won't be able to feel superior or lord it over people anymore...

They would find something else.

 

[DC2]

There is no “right” to breathe “clean air”. Just as there is no right to demand that the air inside a privately owned business establishment meet your individual personal preference for “cleanliness”. There can only be a reasonable expectation that the air we all breathe is relatively safe, and until “outside” air is as safe as “inside” air, any such claims of any “right” are without foundation. Any expectation of indoor air quality being something other than promoted through appropriate signage is ludicrous.

I never thought of it that way before.

 

[kristin]

I never thought of it that way before.

I hadn't either until I read that. It's so true if you think about it. How can people walk into a business off of a street filled with polluted air and then demand the business owner provide them with "clean" air?

 

[IMEDICx90]

im a little late to the thread... but something as extreme as body modification (yeah i do it) is WAY more socially acceptable in all forms then it ever has been. Im not saying you should go fie your teeth down to look like a tiger lol but if you want your lip pierced or a nose ring or even a tattoo that isnt covered by clothing most people dont even give it a second thought. So why wouldnt vaping follow the same trend? Yes right now its somewhat of a groundbreaking phenomenon but it doesnt mean that 10-15 years from now it wouldnt be a standard thing to see in public.