yeah...you upgraded to the digital camo...i just use regular old realtree
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yeah...you upgraded to the digital camo...i just use regular old realtree
You need to reread my posts then because they were pretty straight-forward and I'm pretty sure I stayed away from any subjective breakdown. What you see as "raining on the parade" I see as a simple debate on the merits of some of the original claims made early in the thread.
Enjoy the rest of the thread.
hey man, i think it's cool. all innovation is cool.
one of the earlier comments someone said they walk freight trains in the cold while they vape. it got me to thinking.
tell them to design a model that's built from an aluminum flashlight. something like one of these:
then you can wear it on your hip, use it with gloves, and if someone catches you about to use it, you can click it on like you're checking something out.
people usually think compact is convenient for a PV, but flashlights come in all sizes. Imagine vaping from this:
You talk about tech savy and now choose to denigrate Nuck, probably the most tech savy and all around most experienced vaper to post here? That Nuck is not exactly thrilled by the concept and dismisses the entire premise, that we only vape watts, and nothing else, should sound an alarm.
His long time contributions to the community, his technical knowledge, his actual real world vaping experiences that he shares willingly surpass the total of every poster here combined.
I and many who have around a while know that when Nuck speaks... pay attention, you'll learn something.
You are right about the fiber, after reading another one of your sanctimonious posts I know what I want to to, and I'll print your post out and use it to finish the job.
You are right about the fiber, after reading another one of your sanctimonious posts I know what I want to to, and I'll print your post out and use it to finish the job.[/QUOTE]
I'll second that. This mod does look great and I am holding off buying the pro vari till I see this formally released but debate is what this is all about here on the forums. Cheerleading is for the suppliers forums. Let's get as many intelligent opinions out there and debate. To stifle expression can lead to no thoughtful discussion. Enthusiasm is cool... Cheerleading,
not so much.
I'll second that. This mod does look great and I am holding off buying the pro vari till I see this formally released but debate is what this is all about here on the forums. Cheerleading is for the suppliers forums. Let's get as many intelligent opinions out there and debate. To stifle expression can lead to no thoughtful discussion. Enthusiasm is cool... Cheerleading,
not so much.
WillyB - you do this in the other forums and now you want to come here to ECF and continue your confrontational negativity in yet another thread for yet another device for which you have absolutely no interest. Sadly, you have nothing better to do with your life than troll around ecig forums foaming at the mouth, seeking any possible confrontation with absolutely zero contributory value. You made only one other post in this thread, on day one, and it was purely negative without knowing a single detail other than what was presented in the OP. You began with
You have not offered a single word of constructive contribution to this thread since.
Now, you jump in here at Nuck's defense when clearly Nuck had absolutely no contributory intent either. Nuck's 11 posts, all in the last 2 days, are all 100% negative and critical without offering any contributory and/or productive value either. In addition to shamefully walking out on threads full of people patiently waiting on a device he was supposedly producing and then dropped all of the people and the device faster than I would like to drop this exchange with you - as a modder and vendor he should know better than to do to another modder/vendor what he is sadly and shamefully attempting to do in this thread to this device and vendor.
Quite frankly, I pity you both as you are both sadly lacking something positive and constructive to do with your time. I was uninterested in confrontational exchange with you (as you so clearly have some twisted need to perpetuate) in the other forum and I certainly will not participate with you here where we are more civil to each other and hopefully more supportive, constructive and productive. I wish you well and as I did in the another forum, this will be my one and only reply to you as I have much happier and more worthwhile ways to spend my time. Hopefully, the moderators will see your consistent lack of worthwhile contribution and ongoing confrontational attitude and take appropriate measures to prevent any more of these little school yard tantrums of yours.
To everyone else enjoying this thread, I apologize if my efforts to stand up for integrity and positive constructive contributions to this thread are interfering with your participation. I am absolutely convinced this device is going to be something truly special and unique. The onset of newer technologies into vaping devices will be a wonderfully entertaining, enjoyable and educational process for all of us to watch and explore. I whole-heatedly applaud those who reach outside the "box" (and tubes) and eagerly look forward to seeing and exploring the new devices and technologies as they are developed and created by those with the desire, courage and willingness to put themselves out there. Sadly, there will always be nay-sayers, those who are merely negative because they have no positivity and/or constructive enthusiasm. I, for one, will be supporting the creative, constructive, and contributory.
From this point forward, my posts in this thread will only be addressing the DARWIN as DARWIN is the point of this thread. Finally, to IcaBoD, I am truly sorry to see sad and empty people come in here and attempt to detract from what you are offering to the vaping community. I hope this does not discourage you in any way. There are many of us anxiously and enthusiastically waiting for your efforts to come to full fruition!
BRING ON THE DARWIN!
NebulaBrot, could you please quote the post I made that you find offensive? I'm a little confused as to which post or statements you're referring to. I do find your posts to be quite offensive and inflammatory and would ask that if you want to talk to me that you please stick to the topic. Otherwise, just put me on ignore and enjoy the bliss.
I agree. From what I've read on this there doesn't seem to be much difference compared to a VV device. If it's true, and no one has said it's not, that you have to twiddle your knob whenever you change atties or cartos, then there is no difference with this unit and a VV unit. The only difference I can see is the readout meter, but ultimately the final setting is not going to be defined by a readout, rather by your own physical senses that tell you how far to twiddle your dial. This is the same for VW or VV, so if this had a pulsing regulator I'd be very excited but as is, it has little advantage over what is already out there. I certainly wouldn't be paying a premium for a small readout that wouldn't be of much use apart from seeing your wattage, big deal.I'll second that. This mod does look great and I am holding off buying the pro vari till I see this formally released but debate is what this is all about here on the forums. Cheerleading is for the suppliers forums. Let's get as many intelligent opinions out there and debate. To stifle expression can lead to no thoughtful discussion. Enthusiasm is cool... Cheerleading,
I agree with all that but my point is this is vaping. Like someone said earlier VV is good enough for them. This reminds me of that mod a while back on ECF where you plugged it into your computor to set and store your settings. It was over the top. If the Darwin sells for around $100.00 and puts out an adjustable current to fire my cartos as good as they are working now then I'd be interested. If it makes my vapor come out any better, tastier then okay or makes my batteries last longer. But if it can't it really doesn't matter how.
I think it's a great mod. I just think it's a little over the top. The same response that computer operated mod got on ECF if you remember.
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What part exactly is over the top? It doesn't require any thought to operate. You don't have to do any calculations. There is no need to plug it into your computer and program it. There is no repeated pressing of buttons to set it, nor do you have to sacrifice a chicken on a full moon to get it to work right. The ugly beta unit I have has worked better than any mod I've ever used... and I've used quite a few. I'll be buying two when it comes out.
I fail to see the big resistance to something that is new technology for mods. I wonder if the same people raised such a stink when the first variable voltage mod came out, or when the first basic mods came out.
I fail to see the big resistance to something that is new technology for mods. I wonder if the same people raised such a stink when the first variable voltage mod came out, or when the first basic mods came out.
Nothing, it's pretty ordinary.
Nothing new here.
I don't know any mods that need calculations.
So? Big deal.
Sacrificing chicken, that's just evil. I'm glad it doesn't need that.
Good on you, I'd be waiting on a pulsating voltage VV/VW mod before I fork out any more cash. Until battery life is improved, everything else is fluff.
It's not new, it's just a variation on a theme.
Of course not, because they were new innovations not just a variation on a current theme. If it's new and innovative, then it will garner support, if not, then it just goes on the scrap pile.
We went through this variable voltage vs variable power on another thread earlier this week. End of day I agree with Nuck on this (and btw I am an EE) - but I'll explain in english.... There's a subtle difference between varying power vs voltage (with a well designed voltage regulator) once the device is running- if you believe that the small changes in resistance in the atty coil as it gets hot effect your vapor then perhaps you could make an argument that locking the power to your sweet spot would be better- since the instant you engage the power on a cold atty, its not hot enough to generate vapor, the idea of instantaneous power is kind of a mute point. Heating a coil is charging an inductor - weather you set voltage or power you will set it for the best setting when the atty is hot. What really matters is that it is a constant power source when the circuit is at equilibrium and both approaches provide that.
Given the differences we all are aware of in vaping qualities between attys from different manufacturers on the same resistance atty, let alone changing from 510's to 306's to 801's, i think there's more hype to the thought that there's any advantage when setting up/changing attys. Weather its power or voltage, you'll probably tweak (or not tweak) the settings either way if you're swapping attys of the same resistance.... you can argue that with constant power, you don't have to change the settings if you go from 1.5 ohms to 3.5 ohms on a 510 - I'll give you that if you stick with the same manufacturer, but its not a big deal to change the voltage when you change the atty... On paper, it makes for interesting conversation, but it's really academic. Real world I don't buy the argument that there is anything in regulating power that isn't accomplished with a well regulated PWM device that controls voltage.
Not knocking the idea here- its a good idea and offers a novel approach to thinking about what's really important, but until there is consistency in attys, it's not really an technical advantage over regulating by voltage...
Some people will argue that their $5K speakers sound better than your high quality $1K speakers- well on an oscilloscope they might show better frequency response and a little less distortion when cranked to 200W, but in all probablility the human ear can't hear the difference at normal listening volume...
Same thing here- somebody will swear they can taste the difference because they have superhuman tastebuds... if that's you then this is your device.
Not saying the features are worthless, but comparing to some of the other VV devices mentioned earlier, the fact that this regulates wattage instead of voltage should not be the main reason to choose this device - I think this is an interesting device and I'm watching for the final version with hopes that it gets packaged alot differently....
Given the differences we all are aware of in vaping qualities between attys from different manufacturers on the same resistance atty, let alone changing from 510's to 306's to 801's, i think there's more hype to the thought that there's any advantage when setting up/changing attys. Weather its power or voltage, you'll probably tweak (or not tweak) the settings either way if you're swapping attys of the same resistance.... you can argue that with constant power, you don't have to change the settings if you go from 1.5 ohms to 3.5 ohms on a 510 - I'll give you that if you stick with the same manufacturer, but its not a big deal to change the voltage when you change the atty... On paper, it makes for interesting conversation, but it's really academic. Real world I don't buy the argument that there is anything in regulating power that isn't accomplished with a well regulated PWM device that controls voltage.
Not knocking the idea here- its a good idea and offers a novel approach to thinking about what's really important, but until there is consistency in attys, it's not really an technical advantage over regulating by voltage...
Some people will argue that their $5K speakers sound better than your high quality $1K speakers- well on an oscilloscope they might show better frequency response and a little less distortion when cranked to 200W, but in all probablility the human ear can't hear the difference at normal listening volume...
Same thing here- somebody will swear they can taste the difference because they have superhuman tastebuds... if that's you then this is your device.
Not saying the features are worthless, but comparing to some of the other VV devices mentioned earlier, the fact that this regulates wattage instead of voltage should not be the main reason to choose this device - I think this is an interesting device and I'm watching for the final version with hopes that it gets packaged alot differently....
I liked your review, Mutt
It seems very interesting, so much to assimilate...........(slowly backing out of the thread)
It seems very interesting, so much to assimilate...........(slowly backing out of the thread)
Years and years ago, when cruise control on automobiles were really coming into their own, I recall asking a trucker friend I had back then, if 18 wheelers had cruise control. To the best of my memory, he replied that they did not. But what they did have was a throttle control. I may be way off base here, but I think I remember him stating that the throttle control on an 18 wheeler, controlled the engine RPM.
To me (and again, I may be way off base here) but the difference between the design concept of the Darwin, and VV devices, seems to be along the same lines as comparing throttle control (voltage), to cruise control (wattage). I can easily remember all of the times I'd be driving along a hilly highway, with my cruise control set to keep my MPH constant, and having the same truck (that I am assuming had throttle control), both catching up with me (downhill) and falling behind me (uphill) as I drove along.
Maybe this is just my own silly illusion, but it seems to help clarify it for me. Just my 2 cents.
To me (and again, I may be way off base here) but the difference between the design concept of the Darwin, and VV devices, seems to be along the same lines as comparing throttle control (voltage), to cruise control (wattage). I can easily remember all of the times I'd be driving along a hilly highway, with my cruise control set to keep my MPH constant, and having the same truck (that I am assuming had throttle control), both catching up with me (downhill) and falling behind me (uphill) as I drove along.
Maybe this is just my own silly illusion, but it seems to help clarify it for me. Just my 2 cents.
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When looking at both sides of the argument, there is a certain amount of merit. Will a vaper distinguish a 0.2 watt difference in vape quality? The answer is no. If this is what the nay sayers are trying to convey "as real world experience", then by all means, their observations do have merit. OTOH...
Perhaps the original post was not as accurate a description of what the device is or capable of. This was in fact mentioned. We are also not privy to all the details wrt this device. Considering the amount of thievery and copying that goes on these days, compared to the days were folks freely exchanged their ideas towards improvement. I don't blame the players holding their cards close to their chests. Who says this device doesn't operate on the PWM principle? Both camps are wrong in assuming it does or doesn't.
If all atties were created equal and perfect, it would be a perfect world, but then we wouldn't be paying $5 for them neither, let alone $3. We have caused junk to hit the street with our inflated prices and someone will come around and beat ya to it with cheap manufacturing costs. Why? Because we have asked for it and now we no longer like what we created.
I do not want to take my meter out every time I change liquids (atty) and adjust my voltage. It is a nice concept indeed to just plop a different 510 on the device and vape away at your prefered sweet spot, regardless if the resistance of the atty is only 0.2Ohm. On a VV, this would indeed require an adjustment from the operator, whilst if all claims are true, the Darwin will simply adjust the current sent to the atty accordingly, or as the atty gets older it requires more current to operate at the sweet spot. Am I missing something here?
I will not deny that I am not fully conversant with electrical theory or computer programing, but I am fully conversant in Control Theory and practice, and if this device performs as intended/designed, it does indeed have merit theoretically.
Perhaps the original post was not as accurate a description of what the device is or capable of. This was in fact mentioned. We are also not privy to all the details wrt this device. Considering the amount of thievery and copying that goes on these days, compared to the days were folks freely exchanged their ideas towards improvement. I don't blame the players holding their cards close to their chests. Who says this device doesn't operate on the PWM principle? Both camps are wrong in assuming it does or doesn't.
If all atties were created equal and perfect, it would be a perfect world, but then we wouldn't be paying $5 for them neither, let alone $3. We have caused junk to hit the street with our inflated prices and someone will come around and beat ya to it with cheap manufacturing costs. Why? Because we have asked for it and now we no longer like what we created.
I do not want to take my meter out every time I change liquids (atty) and adjust my voltage. It is a nice concept indeed to just plop a different 510 on the device and vape away at your prefered sweet spot, regardless if the resistance of the atty is only 0.2Ohm. On a VV, this would indeed require an adjustment from the operator, whilst if all claims are true, the Darwin will simply adjust the current sent to the atty accordingly, or as the atty gets older it requires more current to operate at the sweet spot. Am I missing something here?
I will not deny that I am not fully conversant with electrical theory or computer programing, but I am fully conversant in Control Theory and practice, and if this device performs as intended/designed, it does indeed have merit theoretically.
When looking at both sides of the argument, there is a certain amount of merit. Will a vaper distinguish a 0.2 watt difference in vape quality? The answer is no. If this is what the nay sayers are trying to convey "as real world experience", then by all means, their observations do have merit. OTOH...
Perhaps the original post was not as accurate a description of what the device is or capable of. This was in fact mentioned. We are also not privy to all the details wrt this device. Considering the amount of thievery and copying that goes on these days, compared to the days were folks freely exchanged their ideas towards improvement. I don't blame the players holding their cards close to their chests. Who says this device doesn't operate on the PWM principle? Both camps are wrong in assuming it does or doesn't.
If all atties were created equal and perfect, it would be a perfect world, but then we wouldn't be paying $5 for them neither, let alone $3. We have caused junk to hit the street with our inflated prices and someone will come around and beat ya to it with cheap manufacturing costs. Why? Because we have asked for it and now we no longer like what we created.
I do not want to take my meter out every time I change liquids (atty) and adjust my voltage. It is a nice concept indeed to just plop a different 510 on the device and vape away at your prefered sweet spot, regardless if the resistance of the atty is only 0.2Ohm. On a VV, this would indeed require an adjustment from the operator, whilst if all claims are true, the Darwin will simply adjust the current sent to the atty accordingly, or as the atty gets older it requires more current to operate at the sweet spot. Am I missing something here?
I will not deny that I am not fully conversant with electrical theory or computer programing, but I am fully conversant in Control Theory and practice, and if this device performs as intended/designed, it does indeed have merit theoretically.
The whole reason for this thread was to #1 give MY opinion on the Darwin and #2 try to get correct information out there for a new vendor.
I will admit, when I talk to them on the phone, I am lost as far as the electronic aspect. I dont know ohms laws etc. I have done my best to take what I am told, and correctly translate it into lay-man terms.
Most of what I post is from actually using the unit itself, not trying to relay electronic theory. In other words, does the unit work? YES... Why does it work? I have no idea.
Personally, I like hearing both sides so far...most have been entertaining as well as informative. There are a few posts that just say it wont work and blah, blah, blah with no reasoning, but for the most part, when someone posts here, good or bad, they have at least had a theory as to why it will or wont work.
Am I an expert? Not even close. Whats the difference between a watt a volt or an amp? I have no idea. How do you determine resistance? I havent got a clue.
What I do know, and this comes from using the device, is that my experience with the Darwin so far, every vape taken from it has been consistent. My first vape on a freshly charged Darwin, is the exact same as the last vape, right before the unit shuts off. Why it's consistent, I can not tell you. Is it different than anything else I have used? yes.
And to be honest, like most vv devices where people develop a sweet spot, I have my own sweet spot for the Darwin, its at full power. I like high voltage, I like high wattage or I like high amps...whatever you want to call it, I like it, and I like it powerful.
Another aspect of the Darwin that I like, is ease of use for the operator. Anyone that knows me, knows my favorite PV is the GLV, why? because #1 its easy to use and #2 its easy to use. For the most part, the GLV at 6v, using the 808 carto (which is just about all i use) has been a perfect match up for me. I will continue to use my GLV's. And at the same time, I WILL buy a Darwin when it comes to market. Is the darwin different than the vv devices out there? The only way to answer that is to ask a person who has actually used both, not just seen a review of a product and try to dismiss it on design alone. According to a reviewer, posted here in this very thread, yes the Darwin IS different than a vv device.
Well, I certainly think that the concept has merit and is worthy of purchasing one to find out. The only thing it lacks as far as I am concerned, is a juice feeding system of some sort. But, that's just me. I am addicted to juice feeders and that's pretty much all I use now, whether it be an Ali'i, REOs (Mini and Grand), or the VapeMate I just got (primarily for my wife's set of eGos). I just grew to detest the constant necessity and time consumption of refilling carts, cartos, or dripping, and love not having to mess with anything for the whole day, as a rule. But, I can always very easily just slap a VapeMate onto the Darwin once I get one, and I should be all set.
speaking of the vapemate, do you like it? i just ordered one not 15 minutes ago
Bad analogy .... limit the changes in grade to 2% and you'd be closer... remove any need to change speed, other vehicles on the road etc and you'd be approaching a similar situation - but still a bad analogy because the internal combustion engine is alot more complex than these circuits...
Read carefully, its not that you are being told they are the same thing, and it's not that the people trying to explain it are nay sayers...
Its that that the differences are past the point of diminishing returns.
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