Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Kent C]

This could be excellent news. I hadn't heard this. Hunter appears to not be very
active on Twitter, but is on FB. Adding him to the list of people to bug.

As Bronze and others have pointed out, Trump doesn't (according to him) drink or smoke - going back to his brother's alcoholism and he made it a point in raising his kids - no drink, no smoke, no drugs. Whether that held or not I don't know, but I'm guessing it did. However, getting people off smoking may be a plus from his viewpoint. Also, many of his golfing buddies and club members smoke premium cigars, so he's likely to get an earful from them as well.

That said, I didn't vote for him in the Ohio primaries and am considering whether I'm going to vote at all in the general. A positive word on vaping from him, may send me to the polls though :- ) If he picks Duncan Hunter Jr. as VP, I'll contribute to the campaign.

Btw, if you google Trump or Presidential candidates and vaping, there was a satirical article from vape magazine which is funny but not anything the candidates actually said. However, other sites have written the same, some WITHOUT the 'satirical' warning....

 

[Hulamoon]

It's a double edge sword, in an effort for everyone to quit smoking, that's a lot of tax $ lost, enter vaping, the government had found a way to redeem their tax $ for those have quit smoking....
Essentially, they just hit the state I reside in for the next couple of weeks, Indiana, which go into effect July 1.

Anyone know about Georgia? I'm heading back south, and would love to know what I'm looking at in the south! Any info would be greatly appreciated!

With Gratitude!

And this is my point also. We know States have already begun active taxation of vapor products. Other States haven't YET, but FULLY plan to do so. So. How does the FDA Ban work into States active taxation, and will it cause uproar on a State and ergo a Congressional level - or will they all shrug their shoulders and say "Good! Now everyone both under and over 18 will return to smoking".

 

[Hulamoon]

For those in this thread that may be new to ECF or may be considering moving into DIY based on the deeming regs:

I dont wander much on ECF apart for the DIY forum and have been more absent of late due to health issues. It took the FDA to drag me into this discussion. However, I have to tell you that Kurt's posts and knowledge were essential in all of the personal success and progress I have made In DIY juice since early 2012. Its because of him, and several others, that I have a number of stellar tobacco vapes from his work with tobacco absolute. It pushed me to make my own contributions as well to share what I had learned based off other peoples initial hard work. I cannot express enough thanks to him and other long time DIY contributors. I urge everyone to read Kurt's posts and take them to heart as essential DIY knowledge.

It will help you immensely.

+100 from me. Kurt, bless his heart, is a living legend!

 

[mostlyclassics]

My understanding of the regulation process is that the expected industry harm must be listed as part of the regulation documentation and if it can be shown to be significantly wrong can be challenged before actual harm occurs. But in this case, the FDA has estimated that 99.9% the industry will be eliminated by the regulations, so I don't think there is a gross mis-characterization of the expected harm to the industry. But, IANAL, so take my advice with a grain of salt.

Hearings were held by OMB (I believe). The FDA ignored the findings about negative impact.

 

[sparkky1]

As Bronze and others have pointed out, Trump doesn't (and according to him) drink or smoke - going back to his brother's alcoholism and he made it a point in raising his kids - no drink, no smoke, no drugs. Whether that held or not I don't know, but I'm guessing it did. However, getting people off smoking may be a plus from his viewpoint. Also, many of his golfing buddies and club members smoke premium cigars, so he's likely to get an earful from them as well.

That said, I didn't vote for him in the Ohio primaries and am considering whether I'm going to vote at all in the general. A positive word on vaping from him, may send me to the polls though :- ) If he picks Duncan Hunter Jr. as VP, I'll contribute to the campaign.

Btw, if you google Trump or Presidential candidates and vaping, there was a satirical article from Vape magazine which is funny but not anything the candidates actually said. However, other sites have written the same, some WITHOUT the 'satirical' warning....

AGREED

 

[mudram99]

It only takes a few minutes! Write some variation of this to every elected official that represents you!

I am a 57 year old middle class VOTER.

I was addicted to tobacco most of my life. I firmly believe that switching to ecigs has extended my life by years. Not only does scientific research show that it is 95% less harmful, but my own body tells me that it is less harmful.

Now the FDA is making it easier to buy tobacco than to obtain a satisfying ecig.

I urge you to support the
H.R.2058 - FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015

Products that existed before 2/14/2007 simply did not work, where current generation products DO work. As a result I have been tobacco free for 3.5 years. Please allow me the legal means to stay off of tobacco!

Sincerely,
Mike Petro​

I knew you were a good man Charlie Brown, back from a few group buys. What you have laid out here is a wonderful template that every and I mean EVERY person here need to take the few minutes to act on! No excuses if you got time to peruse the forums and opine here, DO IT WHERE IT MIGHT HELP US TOO!

Thanks Mike

the vaping black cat

 

[jmur]

Forgive me if this has been discussed before, but there's over 100 pages here, and while I believe I've read the majority of them, I may have missed some discussions.

Anyway, I'm wondering about what kind of reaction the CC companies are going to have to this new development. For example, PP already has restrictions on devices, etc., is this coming for CC too?

Again, my apologies if this has been discussed...

 

[Robino1]

Forgive me if this has been discussed before, but there's over 100 pages here, and while I believe I've read the majority of them, I may have missed some discussions.

Anyway, I'm wondering about what kind of reaction the CC companies are going to have to this new development. For example, PP already has restrictions on devices, etc., is this coming for CC too?

Again, my apologies if this has been discussed...

That's not even come up yet...that I can recall. I have read all of this thread.

Lord! That's another avenue that could clog the system. Although they have no problem using a credit card when you purchase cigarettes at the stores/gas stations.

 

[nicnik]

Today, you win the Internet! LOL

LOL!

Somehow, that one flew over my head... Thanks! LOL!

 

[Kent C]

Forgive me if this has been discussed before, but there's over 100 pages here, and while I believe I've read the majority of them, I may have missed some discussions.

Anyway, I'm wondering about what kind of reaction the CC companies are going to have to this new development. For example, PP already has restrictions on devices, etc., is this coming for CC too?

Again, my apologies if this has been discussed...

I know they stopped credit card purchases of RYO tobacco at one point - forced to use a bank wire but so far I haven't seen any indication that would be the case with ecigs. I'm sure it's possible and perhaps 'urged' somewhere in the gov't. Paypal still works in China and some other foreign countries of course.

 

[Randy C]

I'm really curious about what industry manufacturers and major retailers are doing to fight these regs??? Lots of revenue streams will be dried up; I'm wondering if they'll go down fighting...

 

[LoriP1702]

That's not even come up yet...that I can recall. I have read all of this thread.

Lord! That's another avenue that could clog the system. Although they have no problem using a credit card when you purchase cigarettes at the stores/gas stations.

I'd seen on CASAA's FB page a comment from a vape shop owner in Conway, AR. They posted that they were dumped by their CC clearing company on Friday a.m., they hadn't found out why, and I didn't keep tabs on the comments. I sent Dale the link, but she'd not been there before.

 

[mudram99]

Please let's not continue with their derogatory name for Ecigs
UGH I hate that name 'ends'.

Kinda serious, kinda inserting sarcasm .... It just hit me weird.

I'm having trouble with this acronym the NDS I get, but what is the E? EVIL ?

 

[Robino1]

I'd seen on CASAA's FB page a comment from a vape shop owner in Conway, AR. They posted that they were dumped by their CC clearing company on Friday a.m., they hadn't found out why, and I didn't keep tabs on the comments. I sent Dale the link, but she'd not been there before.

Until we know the reason why.... can't assume it is because of the deeming of ecigs as tobacco product.

I do remember that post on FB. Someone asked the person to PM them to give them a name of a cc processing company.

The future looks as though it is going to be very interesting and turbulent. I can only hope that we can eventually turn things around.

 

[classwife]

For those in this thread that may be new to ECF or may be considering moving into DIY based on the deeming regs:

I dont wander much on ECF apart for the DIY forum and have been more absent of late due to health issues. It took the FDA to drag me into this discussion. However, I have to tell you that Kurt's posts and knowledge were essential in all of the personal success and progress I have made In DIY juice since early 2012. Its because of him, and several others, that I have a number of stellar tobacco vapes from his work with tobacco absolute. It pushed me to make my own contributions as well to share what I had learned based off other peoples initial hard work. I cannot express enough thanks to him and other long time DIY contributors. I urge everyone to read Kurt's posts and take them to heart as essential DIY knowledge.

It will help you immensely.

+100 from me. Kurt, bless his heart, is a living legend!

Kurt is a treasure.
I stickied Kurt's post here in the DIY Forum.
When he has some time he will draft up something else and I will replace it with that (or add it )

 

[Robino1]

I'm having trouble with this acronym the NDS I get, but what is the E? EVIL ?

Electronic
Nicotine
Delivery
System

 

[nicnik]

I feel that for sure. But also have found this issue follows me away from the computer, even if I don't bring it up. And have found that venting with fellow vapers is best because I don't have to speak in a debating type of manner about ideas that apparently are not understood in scientific way from non-vapers and anti-vapers.

The divisive intolerance of anti-vaping Public Health officials is bad for people's health. More for the vapers, but even for the haters. All coming from the people promoting the importance of putting mental health on par with physical health in our Public Health priorities.

Corrupt hypocrytes messing with our health, in the name of Public Health.

 

[vape-addict]

I'm having trouble with this acronym the NDS I get, but what is the E? EVIL ?

Electronic nicotine delivery system..ENDS

 

[Kent C]

I'm really curious about what industry manufacturers and major retailers are doing to fight these regs??? Lots of revenue streams will be dried up; I'm wondering if they'll go down fighting...

Hey Randy!

Most vendors, even major ones, wouldn't have the cash flow for applications for even one product or eliquid. They may collectively have money toward lawsuits but in 90 days they will have to close shop - not enough time to get too far into a lawsuit, unless there's an injunction to stop closing.

Don't know about Joyetech USA or Kanger USA. Joyetech and Kanger have many vendors in the US - whether they'll step up to the plate, via vendors (don't think a Chinese company could do anything directly). who knows. I doubt it. While the US is a major market for them, it isn't the only one.

 

[mudram99]

Electronic
Nicotine
Delivery
System

next time I poke you with the phun stick, it will have to be about the head and shoulders I guess.