Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Astron]

I have to admit that, after watching Dimitris' video that @Horselady154 posted in her thread, I'm much less optimistic than I was after reading yesterday's article...



Oh well, I guess we'll find out soon enough.

I think I’ve seen all of Dimitri’s recent videos but I’m wondering if I missed one. Do you mind telling me the name of the thread (I can’t work the stalkerish profile info well)

 

[Katya]

I think I’ve seen all of Dimitri’s recent videos but I’m wondering if I missed one. Do you mind telling me the name of the thread (I can’t work the stalkerish profile info well)

CASAA's Call to Action

You can also just click on the red arrow next to @Horselady154 's name in the quote I posted and it will take you there.

 

[NolaMel]

Unless you grow them yourself!

My Fall tomatoes are just now starting to produce . Had to get cool enough at night for the blossoms to set. Can’t wait for that first “real” tomato

 

[NolaMel]

I tried growing ROmas this past summer and they were almost inedible raw. Super thick leathery skin. I ended up peeling them and seeding them and turning them into salsa which I canned.

Will be hunting another determinate variety for next summer. This year was a bust.

Check out La Ag center. Great info

 

[NolaMel]

There must not be a tomato thread on ECF.

Isn’t it a source of nicotine??

 

[Astron]

CASAA's Call to Action

You can also just click on the red arrow next to @Horselady154 's name in the quote I posted and it will take you there.

Thank you - just now started following him on FB.

ETA I think I meant to thank @Horselady154 for her link and “him” is Dimitri. I’m tired lol

thank you also @Katya

 

[LoveVanilla]

I 100% pray and hope you are correct in your hopes for the latter, but I don’t see any evidence that vape shops will be exempt. The way I interpreted yesterday’s news was that instead of a total wipeout of *all* flavors (mint, menthol, and tobacco included), vape shops may be exempt from a menthol and tobacco flavor ban. JUUL removing Mint is the evidence I need that a worst-case scenario is planned.

I hate being the angel of gloom & doom really I do.

You may be correct. Doesn't mean anything (i.e. not authoritative) but might interest you to read this.

Edit: And with you CMD-Ky. I refuse to kneel to surveillance capitalism in order to participate in our democracy -- particularly when run by a sociopathic. I use Privacy Badger with uBlock Origin, and User Agent Switcher. Also use Opera (with free VPN) to prevent my VPN from spying on me [now legal]. Recommend all of these tools. It is absurd that our government/we allows mass surveillance of our population in the name of commercial profits.

 

[Astron]

You may be correct. Doesn't mean thing (i.e. not authoritative) but might interest you to read this.

Again, I want nothing more to be wrong, but watching the video from Dimitri’s Facebook, all I keep hearing Conway say is “nothing has changed” and “the data [since Trump’s original statement] is much more harrowing [regarding teen use].”

I guess we will see.

 

[NolaMel]

I don’t know what to say, except I am tired of being “optimistic”. They’re sadists, occasionally dangling a carrot then snatching it away. I’ll be fine no matter what they decide, but for goodness sake, stop effing us around .

 

[LoveVanilla]

I don’t know what to say, except I am tired of being “optimistic”. They’re sadists, occasionally dangling a carrot then snatching it away. I’ll be fine no matter what they decide, but for goodness sake, stop effing us around .

Yes, agree. It's like being slow walked to the gallows while the king considers our pardon. Suspect we will know tomorrow -- though they might decide we need further torment...

None the less, I am completely stocked. And expect a black market to materialize instantly.

 

[Eskie]

I always thought the tomato/eggplant threads were in the vape pods section. I don't go there that often so I might be mistaken. That, or the battery subforum, because I have this vague recollection of Mooch's talking about his home garden (but I could be wrong).

Anna, Ultram, the "opiate that's not an opiate", was the biggest scam ever pulled by a drug company. In some ways it was worse that Oxycontin, which at least was recognized as an opiate, even if wildly inappropriately marketed and prescribed. How Ultram got through left many shaking their heads in utter confusion, but maybe if the FDA let that one slide, there's still a remote chance for Raspberry Pancakes to be the "tobacco that's not a tobacco" that sneaks through.

As for Conway's "we're talking about e cigarettes and teens, not vaping and vape shops" I have as much faith in that as I do in, well, anything else I've ever heard her say. I continue to plan (well, already have) for the worst. If I'm wrong I'll be thrilled, but I won't be running to my bookie on this one.

 

[LoveVanilla]

I grow tomatoes! They contain nicotine right?

 

[Katya]

Kellyanne Conway Says the FDA Has No Jurisdiction Over Vape Shops. The FDA Disagrees.

Contrary to Conway's comments, the FDA plainly believes it does "have jurisdiction over vaping and vape shops," which is consistent with the interpretation upheld by the D.C. Circuit. And if open-system vaping devices and the e-liquids used in them are indeed tobacco products subject to FDA regulation, the Tobacco Control Act seems to preclude a flavor ban that is selectively applied to "a specific category of retail outlets."

While allowing adults to continue buying flavored e-liquids from some sources is certainly preferable to a blanket ban, I'm not sure how that policy can be reconciled with the law.

 

[AttyPops]

Huh.
The CAASA attorney guy, in the video here: CASAA's Call to Action

Said that the FDA admitted, outright said, that they don't have jurisdiction over unflavored nic. So I suppose it depends - if it's a "zero nic vape shop" then no, they wouldn't. But Kellyanne is wild with her terminology and "facts" anyway.

 

[zoiDman]

Kellyanne Conway Says the FDA Has No Jurisdiction Over Vape Shops. The FDA Disagrees.

Yeah... There is also this to make things even More Convoluted...

Implications for the ENDS Product Category

FDA’s approach to addressing rising youth use of certain flavored (e.g., non-tobacco, mint, and menthol flavored) cartridge-based e-cigarette products may be effective, but is also potentially subject to legal challenge. Section 906(d)(3) of the Tobacco Control Act expressly states that “no restrictions under [906(d)(1)] may — (i) prohibit the sale of any tobacco product in face-to-face transactions by a specific category of retail outlets.” Nevertheless, a prohibition on the sale of flavored ENDS at retail outlets (e.g., convenience stores) appears to be precisely what FDA plan to accomplish, albeit through indirect means.

FDA Announces Additional Steps to Protect Youth: Limiting Access to Flavored ENDS, Enhancing Online Age-Verification and Banning Menthol in Cigarettes and Flavored Cigars | The Continuum of Risk

Section 906 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act

 

[NolaMel]

Kellyanne Conway Says the FDA Has No Jurisdiction Over Vape Shops. The FDA Disagrees.

Conway probably knows as much about nuclear physics as she does what’s actually going on in the White House. I disregard most of what comes out of her mouth

 

[Katya]

All I can see with all this confusion and contradictions is a bunch of lawyers getting very, very rich indeed for years to come.
Let the litigations begin and hopefully never end.

 

[Myrany]

All I can see with all this confusion and contradictions is a bunch of lawyers getting very, very rich indeed for years to come.
Let the litigations begin and hopefully never end.

With injunctions to prevent implementation of whatever they are planning.

 

[stols001]

Anna, Ultram, the "opiate that's not an opiate", was the biggest scam ever pulled by a drug company.

OH I KNOW. Now I do. It's like the WORST, it's like an opiate that hits a bunch of OTHER happy places. For the longest time, you could buy it on the internet (often scriptless) which is why I am so GLAD they scheduled it.

I can't tell you how many folks went to rehab on 50 pills a day of the "latest, safest thing."

After the Suboxone I was like "That is IT I am WIPING my opiate receptors." It probably cost more and was more dangerous to import Ibogaine to microdose but I just can't be going on a 3 day trip due to my other meds. Microdosiing works, interestingly enough..

I was like, "Long term Naltrexone therapy?" Only I think that was only approved by sadists for addicts. NOTHING gets up there. Not endorphins, not sex, not ANYTHING. You know, "Attempted and completed suicides" is not a side effect I really care to deal with. Oh, and you can do depo injections to your freaking ADDICTED kid. I'm sorry that should be illegal, frankly. Continued use may actually be similar.

So yeah, I did that (pdoc approved) and now I have the tolerance of a baby CHILD. Opiate receptors as pure as the driven snow. They'd probably OD me at the hospital, hence the bracelet.

Oh well all's well that ends well? I can get pretty determined to like, achieve a result and I wanted to have ZERO CRAVINGS in the future. It worked. Ibogaine actually works but you have to not use in the middle of it. It was studied here, couple deaths and boom.

Anna

 

[zoiDman]

With injunctions to prevent implementation of whatever they are planning.

Where have I Seen that before?

LOL