Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[BNEAT]

I made it thru the first few sentences and stopped.

I made it through "New Member - Today"

 

[englishmick]

I made it thru the first few sentences and stopped.

I read it all the way through and it didn't mention Bloomberg once.

 

[BillW50]

Pfizer recalls all lots of anti-smoking drug over carcinogen presence

 

[somdcomputerguy]

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government permanent temporary at DuckDuckGo

 

[thanswr1]

Why is a 21 age and mandatory card with high penalties for failing good enough for cigarettes and booze but NOT good enough for vape?

I"ve aways said vaping was not an FDA problem, but a law enforcement problem.

Quite honestly, I really don't give a crap if someone's 14 year old is buying vaping products illegally. That's a family problem and a law enforcement problem. I see no reason why a 60+ year old should give up the habits they enjoy because parents and law enforcement can't do their jobs.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Buy popcorn futures.

 

[YoursTruli]

 

[zoiDman]

From DJ Colonel Corn's Post in the Head's Up thread...


List of Marketing Denial Orders (MDOs) through Sept. 17, 2021

Although the FDA say it has issued 295 MDOs, the list contains just 240 names. The agency says manufacturers issued denials for products not currently being marketed are not named.

The list is alphabetical, with the date the MDO was issued noted to the right of each name.

10 Days Inc. dba Pod Juice,9/14
611 Vapes dba Erie Shore Vapors,9/16
7 Daze LLC,9/8
A Perfect Vape,9/16
AAA Strate Vape,9/10
Abomination LLP,9/13
Absolute Vapor Lounge LLC,9/10
ACH Group LLC dba Bomb Bombz E-liquid,9/15
Alaska Elixirs Vape LLC,9/8
American Vapor Group,9/1
American Vapor Inc.,9/8
Apollo Future Technology Inc.,9/10
Arc LLC,9/7
Ashlynn Marketing Group,9/15
Avail Vapor LLC,9/15
Awesome Sauce Vapor,9/15
Axioco Corporation,9/16
Baker White Inc.,9/10
Balboa,9/7
Bang Bang Vapors LLC,9/9
Beard Vape Company,9/16
Bidi Vapor,9/7
Big Time Vapes,8/30
BJC,9/15
BMF Labs dba Bad Modder Fogger LLC ,9/10
Bogart Enterprises LLC,9/16
Bombies Inc.,9/8
Boomtown Vapors,9/8
Buckshot Vapors Inc.,9/1
California Grown E-Liquid ,9/15
Cassadaga Liquids, LLC,9/15
Central Vapors,9/10
Cig Free Vape Shop,9/15
CITTG dba Orgnx E Liquids,9/1
Cosmic Fog Vapors Operating Company LLC,9/15
Creative Focus dba Red Devil Vapors,9/7
CRFT Labs Tennessee LLC,9/15
Custom Vapor Blends LLC,9/7
Custom Vapors,8/31
Decent Juice,9/3
Desert Vapors LLC,9/13
DFW Vapor Holdings Inc.,9/8
Diamond Vapor,9/1
Dominant Vapor,9/1
Doomsday Gourmet,9/7
DR Distributors LLC,9/17
Drippers Vape Shop LLC ,9/14
Drippers Vape Shop LLC,9/10
E-Vapor Hut LLC,9/9
Ecig Charleston LLC,9/15
ECS Global,9/10
Einstein Vapes,9/10
Ejuice Blvd LLP,9/15
Electric Smoke Vapor House,9/8
Element E-Liquid LLC,9/15
Elite Brothers,9/15
Everything Vapor,9/16
Feel Life Health Inc.,9/17
Flair Products, LLC,9/10
Flavor Labs dba Mob Liquid Labs,9/7
Fuma International LLC,9/16
Fuma International LLC,9/17
FUMA Vapor, Inc.,9/10
Fumee LLC,9/14
Fumizer LLC,9/9
Gentlemen’s Draw LLC,9/7
Gothic Vapor,8/31
Great American Vapes,8/26
Gripum LLC,9/8
Grove Inc.,9/15
Gundo Distro,9/9
Heartlandvapes LLC,9/17
Holy Cow ejuice,9/13
HotSpot Caf� LLC dba VV-Juice,9/8
Howard Enterprises,9/16
Humble Juice Co., LLC,9/15
Imperial Vapors,9/1
Infamous E Juice,9/15
Innevape,9/15
J-Vapor LLC dba North Shore Vapor,8/31
Jaded Vapors LLC,9/8
Jai Mundi, Inc. Kai’s Virgin Vapor E-Liquid,9/15
JD Nova Group LLC,8/26
JDvapour LLC,9/8
JMJL Global,9/8
Johnny Copper,9/7
JT Wood Investments LLC dba Vape It,9/10
Juice Guys Distribution LLC,9/9
Juice Roll Upz Inc.,9/8
Jungle Nation,9/15
Jvapes LLC,9/9
K&C Aitken, LLC Dba Elysian Labs,9/16
Kinghorn Holding,9/9
KJJ Enterprises,9/9
Kloc Vapor LLC dba The Vapor Edge,9/8
Lady Boss Vapor,9/8
LAS Ventures Limited,9/15
Lazarus Vintage Corporation,9/8
LDP Designs LLC,9/14
Lead by Sales LLC dba White Cloud Cigarettes,9/14
LeCig Enterprises Inc.,9/15
Liquid Art Inc.,9/10
Liquid Nics LLC,9/3
Lotus Vaping Technologies,9/17
Loveli Design LLC dba Alice in Vapeland,9/1
LXJ LLC,9/13
Magellan Technology Inc.,9/8
Malicious Liquids Inc,9/8
Marina technology LLC,9/7
Marlin Steam Company, LLC,9/14
Matrix Minds,9/8
MH Global LLC dba Steamline Vape Co. LLC,9/16
Midas Vape LLC,9/8
Midwest Vape Supply,9/1
Mighty Vapors,9/15
Millennial One Inc. dba The Finest E-Liquid ,9/2
Mister-E-Liquid LLC,9/16
Mix Masters Inc.,9/10
MJ Asset Holdings,9/3
Mom and Pop Vapor Shop,9/8
Mothers Milk WTA,9/15
Mountain Oak Vapors, LLC,9/8
Mountain Vaporz,9/1
Mr. Salt-E LLC,9/15
MV Enterprises,9/1
My Vape Order Inc.,9/8
Nasty Worldwide SDN BHD,9/7
New Orleans Cloud Alchemy,9/15
Nicquid,9/1
Northeast Vapor Supplies LLC,9/9
Northland Vapor Company,9/17
Nude Nicotine,9/7
One Up Vapors LLC,9/15
Oueis Gas Inc. dba Oasis Vape,9/10
Ovapes Ejuice LLC,9/9
Paradigm Distribution ,9/15
Paradigm Distribution,9/10
Performance Plus Marketing Inc.,9/7
Pettee & D’Sylva Enterprises, LLC,9/13
Planet of the Vapes,9/1
Pop Vapor Co LLC,9/15
Pop Vapor Co LLC,9/16
Prohibition Juice Co.,9/13
Propaganda E-Liquid LLC,9/8
Prophet Premium Blends, LLC,9/15
Puff Labs LLC,9/14
Puff Labs,9/9
Quad City Vapers Club,9/7
Red Rock Vapor,9/7
Redwood Ejuice LLC,9/13
Riot Labs,9/9
Ripe Vapes,9/15
Rock Ridge Vapor LLC,9/13
Royalty Premium E Juice,9/1
RP Vapors,9/9
Ruthless Vapor Corporation,9/16
SadBoy,9/3
Seattle ,9/7
Securience LLC,9/8
Shop Vapes,9/9
Simple Vapor Company,9/10
Simply Vapour,9/10
Sir Vapes -A-Lot,9/1
Smax International LLC,9/14
Smokeless Smoking Inc.,9/9
South Coast Vapor Co.,9/9
Southwest Smokeless ,9/15
SS Vape Brands Inc. Dba Monster Vape Labs,8/31
SSY E-juice,9/10
Stark Vapor LLC,9/9
Steep Slope Vape Supply,9/8
SV Packaging LLC,9/10
SWT Global Supply,8/31
SWT Global Supply,9/7
Tampa Vapor Inc.,9/10
Tasty Cloud Vape Co. LLC,9/9
Tasty Haze,9/7
Tasty Puff LLC,9/14
Teardrip Holdings,9/14
Texas Select Ventures LLC dba Texas Select Vapor,9/14
Texas Tobacco Barn dba TXVape Barn,9/8
The Ecig Caf� LLC,9/9
The Michigan Juice Company LLC,9/8
The Vape Lounge,9/15
The Vaping Tiger,8/31
The Vapor Vendor LLC,9/9
The Zen Vaper E-Liquids LLC,9/15
TPB International LLC,9/14
Treehouse Vapor Company dba Flagship Vapor,9/7
TrendSetters E-liquid LLC,8/31
True Lab Creations,9/10
TruVibe Inc. dba Vapor Station FDL,9/8
Turncoat Industries,9/15
Twisted Tongue Inc.,9/13
UIS Manufacturing, LLC,9/14
Underdog E-liquids LLC,9/8
Union Street Brand,9/15
Valley Vapors LLC,9/8
Vape Craft,9/9
Vape Crusaders Premium E-liquids,9/8
Vape Hut Inc.,9/13
Vape n Juice,9/16
Vape of a Kind,9/8
Vape On,9/7
Vaper Generation,9/9
VaperMate LLC,9/15
Vapetasia LLC,9/16
Vaping Oasis,9/2
Vapor Bank E-liquid,9/10
Vapor Outlet of Wyoming LLC dba Juicity Vapor,9/8
Vapor Plus OK,9/7
Vapor Rage LLC,9/8
Vapor Salon,8/26
Vapor Solutions & Labs,9/8
Vapor Source Inc.,9/3
Vapor Stockroom,9/9
Vapor Stop,9/15
Vapor Trail LLC dba Mig Vapor,9/8
Vapor Ventures Inc dba Innovated Vapors,9/15
Vaporized Inc.,9/8
Vapors of Ohio Inc. dba Nostalgic Vapes,9/1
VDX Distribution,9/15
Verdict Vapors,9/15
Vertigo Vapor,9/8
Victory Liquid LLC,9/10
VIM Blends,9/8
Vintage & Vapor Marketplace Inc.,9/17
Viper Vapor,9/3
Viper Vapor,9/3
VPR Collection,9/8
VR Labs,9/9
Wadina Distribution LLC DBA GOST Vapor,9/9
Wages & White Lion Investments dba Triton Distribution,9/14
Walker Enterprises,9/9
Warlock Vapes dba Zuluvapes,9/8
Wyoming Vapor Company,9/3
Xtreme Vapors,9/8
Yogi’s Vape,9/9
Yoshicon LLC dba Vapergate,9/13
Zen RVA LLC,9/7

FDA Has Now Denied PMTAs from 295 Vape Companies

 

[smacuser]

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[440BB]

Really sorry to see Mister E-Liquid on the MDO list. I know they spent a great deal and felt confident going into the PMTA process.

I do wonder if those MDO's are for all the liquids a company submitted or only the non-tobacco liquids.

 

[YoursTruli]

Lots of familiar and big companies on there. Appears to be all flavored eliquids?

Along with the first round of MDO’s, the FDA announced a previously unpublished standard requiring PMTAs for flavored products other than tobacco and menthol to demonstrate “sufficient product-specific scientific evidence to demonstrate enough of a benefit to adult smokers that would overcome the risk posed to youth.”

that told us no flavors were going to be authorized

 

[Katya]

FDA Has Now Denied PMTAs from 295 Vape Companies

From your link:

"Since Aug. 26, 295 manufacturers have received MDOs for more than 1,089,000 products. Since the Sept. 9 deadline for unauthorized products to be removed from the market, the FDA Center for Tobacco Products has not authorized a single vaping product for marketing."

So can someone please explain to me what exactly are they going to tax?

 

[YoursTruli]

From your link:

"Since Aug. 26, 295 manufacturers have received MDOs for more than 1,089,000 products. Since the Sept. 9 deadline for unauthorized products to be removed from the market, the FDA Center for Tobacco Products has not authorized a single vaping product for marketing."

So can someone please explain to me what exactly are they going to tax?

Closed system tobacco/menthol, disposables, which accounts for most of the U.S. market share. Juul alone accounted for 63 percent of all U.S. nicotine vaping sales in 2020 followed closely by Vuse.
Easy peasy to tax just like cigarettes the thing big government is most familiar with. Gotta replace that MSA money and since the majority of closed system/disposables are owned by big tobacco the system is already in place to roll them in.

 

[borno]

Yes, it is the new Progressive thinking and I, for one am thrilled. FINALLY money is going towards social issues instead of just politicians pockets and forever wars. Most people I know couldn't give a crap about the deficit but do have plenty of real world, middle class worries such as child care, universal health care and other such problems that have been ignored forever it seems. The rich need to be taxed at a much higher rate, when you have cases like Mr.Jeff Bezos profiting so much during the pandemic that he can now afford to give every Amazon employee 100k and still have just as much as he had before the pandemic. Our schools, our infrastructure, our energy dependency on big oil are all problems that will only be addressed by raising taxes. Give us a NEW New Deal say I. Or else my generation will rarely ever achieve home ownership, retirement or true independence. Its funny how people dont complain at the TRILLIONS we spend on forever wars, no never. Quick, give Boeing ANOTHER government contract. But when it comes to actually helping society, as most advanced first world countries now do, everyone and their mother start yelling about taxes and deficits. Did you guys know that we are the ONLY first world country that doesn't provide Healthcare to its citizens as a right ? Or that we pay, on average 10x to 100x more than other nations for the same drugs and treatments? Because BIG GOVERNMENT has a deal with big pharma that they can charge whatever they please for a drug and the US will pay it, no questions asked. Seems to me theres plenty of money to be had, its just in all the wrong hands. Ban big oil, invest in renewable energy and fix our schools before we fall behind every other decent country on earth. Ban lobbyists, ban dark money political donors. How can a politician retain interest in the problems of their constituents when Big this and that is slipping them big money. The answer is, they don't. They only care about the donors and reelection so they can spend another 4 years getting rich of our tormentors. I'll do anything to make sure that progressive policies are not only enacted, but expanded once and again....

 

[Katya]

Juul alone accounted for 63 percent of all U.S. nicotine vaping sales in 2020 followed closely by Vuse.

Right. Juul. The same Juul that hooked countless teens on vaping with their 59mg/ml cartridges and sleek social media blitz? No. That can't be.

 

[BillW50]

Senator Collins Co-Sponsors Bipartisan Legislation to Hold E-Cigarette Companies Accountable for Youth Vaping | Senator Susan Collins

 

[Katya]

"You’ve done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"
-Joseph N. Welch

 

[YoursTruli]

Senator Collins Co-Sponsors Bipartisan Legislation to Hold E-Cigarette Companies Accountable for Youth Vaping | Senator Susan Collins

"Currently, manufacturers of traditional combustible tobacco products pay into FDA user fees, but e-cigarette companies are exempt due to a loophole in the law."

So basically vaping products will end up being treated the exact same way combustible /cigarettes are and at a higher cost to end consumers. No flavors, higher cost than smoking, very limited choices... greatly diminished incentive to quit smoking or not to return to smoking.

 

[hittman]

I watched a documentary last night on Juul that was interesting and the timeline went all the way from the two guys starting the company to September 9.

 

[thanswr1]

Lots of familiar and big companies on there. Appears to be all flavored eliquids?

Along with the first round of MDO’s, the FDA announced a previously unpublished standard requiring PMTAs for flavored products other than tobacco and menthol to demonstrate “sufficient product-specific scientific evidence to demonstrate enough of a benefit to adult smokers that would overcome the risk posed to youth.”

that told us no flavors were going to be authorized

Lawsuits in 5-4-3-2 ...........

The future is in popcorn.