Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[The Ocelot]

I still think we need to be hammering the media as well as legislators. There needs to be more in-depth reporting. If the majority of people think the Deeming is just about not selling to minors, labeling and making sure products are "safe" (which implies something different than what is actually written in the regs), how many politicians will go out on a limb where they might be accused of not wanting to protect the children or of supporting Big tobacco?

 

[Bronze]

I still think we need to be hammering the media as well as legislators. There needs to be more in-depth reporting. If the majority of people think the Deeming is just about not selling to minors, labeling and making sure products are "safe" (which implies something different than what is actually written in the regs), how many politicians will go out on a limb where they might be accused of not wanting to protect the children or of supporting Big tobacco?

I completely agree. The coverage of this topic has been scant at best. With the millions who smoke or vape this is a far reaching story and the press has barely mentioned it.

 

[retired1]

With the millions who smoke or vape this is a far reaching story and the press has barely mentioned it.

Generally, the press has been complicit in the campaign against e-cigarettes. It's doubtful we'll get the majority of media outlets to change their tune now.

 

[Bronze]

Generally, the press has been complicit in the campaign against e-cigarettes. It's doubtful we'll get the majority of media outlets to change their tune now.

Sadly, I have to agree with that too. Their ignorance on this topic suggests it is too late for them to get up to speed in time to help us. If anything, they will hurt us. At best, we could only expect the press to give both sides of the argument which means they'll have to cover the phony half of the story.

 

[The Ocelot]

I completely agree. The coverage of this topic has been scant at best. With the millions who smoke or vape this is a far reaching story and the press has barely mentioned it.

There are articles out there, we're finding them, but there needs to be more coverage at the Fox level.

 

[Bronze]

There are articles out there, we're finding them, but there needs to be more coverage at the Fox level.

And specifically Fox. I'm certainly not holding my breath waiting for the liberal press to give this favorable coverage. The only one on Fox who has covered vaping with any regularity has been Greg Gutfeld. Beyond him, Fox has dropped the ball too.

 

[frizzy_tyger]

You are catching hell up there in NC, frizzy-tyger. You have good reason to need to rant IMO So sorry to see what you guys are going through. Hang in there .

Thanks salemgold! I'm not much of a fan of the current state government, but I'm still hoping thing might turn arround some how. Though I sometimes wonder if I'm hoping against hope.

I live in NC and want to keep our governor.

To each their own.

 

[Bronze]

To each their own.

Yep.

 

[SeniorBoy]

I still think we need to be hammering the media as well as legislators. There needs to be more in-depth reporting. If the majority of people think the Deeming is just about not selling to minors, labeling and making sure products are "safe" (which implies something different than what is actually written in the regs), how many politicians will go out on a limb where they might be accused of not wanting to protect the children or of supporting Big Tobacco?

I completely agree. The coverage of this topic has been scant at best. With the millions who smoke or vape this is a far reaching story and the press has barely mentioned it.

I certainly agree in spades. I'm going to drop this thought and dovetail what you both said. It's going to be controversial for some and I hope and pray it's OK with the mods.

If we agree that the goal is to obtain significant traction with the "mainstream" media and that includes all the TV channels and mainstream print then I respectfully suggest that we consider non-violent civil disobedience. When I was much much younger, I actually engaged in this which must be highly organized with "leaders" who are respected and attorneys who are standing by among other details. Yes, I went to jail and a few hours later I was free. It was very effective and those of us who are old enough to remember these actions are encouraged to chime in. Google it to learn more. In my case it was not only effective but an action in my life that I will never forget. I put it all on the table and I'm glad I did. I'm not inferring that it's for everyone, just asking folks to consider it.

Non violent civil disobedience can be different actions. Chain me to the front door of the FDA HQ. Lock arms and sit in the street. A "sit in". Given the right structure, I'm all in!

 

[The Ocelot]

Generally, the press has been complicit in the campaign against e-cigarettes. It's doubtful we'll get the majority of media outlets to change their tune now.

I don't think the media is complicit, I'm sure they don't care one way or the other. They publish what people want to read - headlines and short articles. Most of what I've read has just been paraphrased press releases from ANTZ and quotes stolen from each other. How do you think we all ended up in the Wild West?

If we can come up with something concise and exciting they'd jump on it. Media wants advertising revenue.

I know I sound cynical, but my first job was at a newspaper and the editorial staff was always at odds with the advertising department over space. We said that without our writing no one would pick up the paper, they said that without their ads we wouldn't have a paper to write in.

ETA: I should have said what people like to watch as well.

 

[rosesense]

I just received another email from Sen Cantwell. Here is one snippet from that: Note--Unfortunately---

"As you may know, Representative Tom Cole has introduced legislation, the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015, H.R. 2058. Unfortunately, this legislation would reverse the FDA’s decision to review e-cigarettes and tobacco products introduced on the market after February 2007. A companion legislation has not been introduced in the U.S. Senate."

 

[retired1]

The media is most definitely complicit in the campaign against e-cigarettes. If it was otherwise, there would have been some actual journalism accomplished with investigations into these so called "studies".

But no, journalism is a dead art and the media has lock stepped into a social agenda, facts be damned.

 

[bobwho77]

There is the issue.... Now when are you going to quit that ecig thing..

I have no desire to quit... and non smokers and non vapors don't understand that

I got that from my wife. About a year after I started vaping, my mod (an itazte vv3/PT2) disappeared. When I asked her about it she said that it was time for me to "Finally quit smoking" I told her that vaping WASN'T smoking, and that if/when I gave it up was MY decision, not hers. Then I drove to our local B&M, and bought a new MVP2, and an iClear 30b.

 

[Bronze]

I just received another email from Sen Cantwell. Here is one snippet from that: Note--Unfortunately---

"As you may know, Representative Tom Cole has introduced legislation, the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015, H.R. 2058. Unfortunately, this legislation would reverse the FDA’s decision to review e-cigarettes and tobacco products introduced on the market after February 2007. A companion legislation has not been introduced in the U.S. Senate."

Hey Sen. Cantwell...THEN INTRODUCE IT YOURSELF!!! Good name for you senator. Cantwell get anything done!

 

[Bob Chill]

One thing that might come out of the lawsuits against the FDA is a mis-step by the FDA during discovery and trial. A good portion of the FDA's defense of the regulations isn't exactly bullet proof. Some parts of it appear (at least to me) to be on a bit of shaky ground.

I sometimes wonder if the massive scope of the regs was partly designed to allow for concessions. I'm sure the FDA fully expected lawsuits when they released the regs. They covered every single dark corner with the language. That's for sure. It's going to be attacked in little pieces like we are already starting to see.

I would think that there's at least a slim chance at a potential injunction if enough lawsuits (with merit) get filed.

 

[Bronze]

I sometimes wonder if the massive scope of the regs was partly designed to allow for concessions.

I often think this. Ask for more than what you are willing to settle for. At the end of all this is how the feds can make money off of this.

 

[zoiDman]

I just received another email from Sen Cantwell. Here is one snippet from that: Note--Unfortunately---

"As you may know, Representative Tom Cole has introduced legislation, the FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015, H.R. 2058. Unfortunately, this legislation would reverse the FDA’s decision to review e-cigarettes and tobacco products introduced on the market after February 2007. A companion legislation has not been introduced in the U.S. Senate."

So it sounds like Sen Cantwell does Not support a Grandfather date of May 2016.

I wonder if She (and others like her) would consider a Mid-2014 Date?

 

[rosesense]

This is from CNN, if you haven't seen it. Erica Sward (?) says 70% of all ecig users are still smoking among other stupid stuff she says. Greg Conley does respond so it isn't totally one sided.

 

[zoiDman]

I still think we need to be hammering the media as well as legislators. There needs to be more in-depth reporting. If the majority of people think the Deeming is just about not selling to minors, labeling and making sure products are "safe" (which implies something different than what is actually written in the regs), how many politicians will go out on a limb where they might be accused of not wanting to protect the children or of supporting Big Tobacco?

Have you Contacted your Local Paper(s) with a List of Local/State B&M's that will probably be forced to Close?

What did they Say?

 

[retired1]

Hey Sen. Cantwell...THEN INTRODUCE IT YOURSELF!!! Good name for you senator. Cantwell get anything done!

If you look here: Donor Lookup: Find Individual and Soft Money Contributors | OpenSecrets

You begin to see the individual amounts from those in the healthcare industry (including pharmacy's) start adding up.

No way in hell she's going to upset that apple cart.