Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[HazyShades]

I'm not sure I understand your point correctly, but let me just say that I find it astounding that the the very people who preach tolerance and diversity the loudest are themselves completely intolerant of diversity of thought, ideas and any kind of dissent...

My point, in regards to your post, is that we, the hippies and nonconformists grew up and became conservative, and worked within the system, but now as we've aged are once again
willing to challenge the system, But that whereas the group dynamic
of the past tended to be manipulated by socialist instigators
this time around the group as a whole has been there done that on both sides of the coin and is difficult to manipulate and be taken advantage of.
Regarding your last comment, I was just thinking about that.
Having just watched several of the last assaults of Republican rally
attendees by punks who have no clue.
In fact that segways right in to our prior comments.
The present bunch of pseudo radicals are a perfect example of what I mean by being manipulated by people with (nefarious) agendas
and why we won't be. We know better.
The young punks burning flags, private property, waving foreign flags on US soil, claiming apparently that only one group matters..ETC.,
are being manipulated by Soros and his illuminati agenda.

Regards,
Hazy

 

[Pamawoman]

and to further this line of thinking

That's what my 6 year old thinks. LOL

 

[Robert Cromwell]

That's what my 6 year old thinks. LOL

Didn't Reagan say something like that?

 

[Lessifer]

Re: menthol - I see Glantz et al didn't care for the OMB striking out the flavor wording on the final deeming.... making it a racial issue, when in fact, it's just the opposite.

https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/white-house-told-fda-black-lives-don%E2%80%99t-matter

I left a comment, I guess we'll see if it gets approved by the moderator... should have copied it before I hit save.

 

[HazyShades]

Nicotine needs to be un-demonized (is that a word ?)

For many, many years nicotine has been a mythological evil creature due to lack of knowledge and false fear mongering "facts"


...quite a task

Yes, it is a real word, no hyphen.
Undemonized dictionary definition | undemonized defined.

I agree totally. The same applies to many other things...
that the good Lord gave us.
Those weren't apples in the Garden.
While no one is sure what fruit Eve ate if it indeed was a fruit
it has been theorized that the fruit was a pomegranate.

Regards,
Hazy

 

[Pamawoman]

I think you are so right. They did not understand that we are no longer hiding in the corners SMOKERS to be shunned. We are vapors and proud to be.

And to prove my point I got these bumper stickers today and will be proudly displaying them on my car right next to my Jesus stickers. No shame in my game!

 

[Pamawoman]

Well! Righttovape.org is not a site. WTH!

 

[Pamawoman]

It gets better. Righttovape.com is not updated. Oh brother!

 

[YoursTruli]

Sad update : No response at all from the the vendor I have been doing business with for 5 years. Not another dime from me.

A list needs to be started on here somewhere listing all of the vendors/manufacturers that are known to be active activist for vaping informing all of their customers so they will be aware and can join in this fight, so we can support these vendors/manufacturers in return.

 

[nineironman]

Oh, the irony. The hippies and the nonconformists and the idealists have grown up...

I am not sure we have "grown up" but we have sure gotten old!

 

[Kent C]

The flavor thing from the WH was not for vaping products but flavored cigs and little cigars and such.

Someone should tell Matt Meyers...

Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids

...and Bill Godshall:

"I suspect FDA won't begin banning factory sealed bottles of flavored nicotine e-liquids until August 8, 2018 (if the manufacture complies with all other provisions of the FDA deeming reg)."

Regulations.gov

However, we recognize that the availability of alternatives to traditional tobacco flavors in some products (e.g., ENDS) may potentially help some adult users who are attempting to transition away from combusted products. Furthermore, at least some flavored combusted products are likely to be “grandfathered” and therefore would remain on the market regardless of the compliance period provided in the preamble. Taking into consideration all of the comments on the compliance period and flavors, we are establishing staggered compliance periods. This approach will enable FDA to balance concerns regarding the extended availability of all newly deemed, new tobacco products without scientific review, concerns regarding flavored tobacco products' appeal to youth, and emerging evidence that some adults may potentially use certain flavored tobacco products to transition away from combusted tobacco use.

 

[Verb]

While I did RYO for almost 2 years, and felt it was much less polluted than BT Products, I don't remember ever seeing RYO on any of my tobacco packaging. Also this was a Whole Leaf Product.

I'm just thinking 100mg/ml is not intended for direct use and therefor not a finished product.

The deeming regs directly state liquid nicotine will be treated the same as eliquid.

Pure might be available and legal from foriegn suppliers with no need a PMTA. That will be a dangerous situation.

 

[Kent C]

A list needs to be started on here somewhere listing all of the vendors/manufacturers that are known to be active activist for vaping informing all of their customers so they will be aware and can join in this fight, so we can support these vendors/manufacturers in return.

I have a complete transcript (via email - she doesn't promote herself, but I will) of her testimony at a hearing in Illinois from Vicki at cignot. Not only is she 'not informed' but quite a capable person in explaining the downside of the FDA deeming as well as state regulations that are putting her business and her customers at risk. It was an impressive testimony and not the only thing she has done either. Whether her walk-in customers know that (I suspect many do) hard telling, because she is not a self-promoter. I suspect that to be the case with many vendors.

 

[wiredlove]

I'm not sure I understand your point correctly, but let me just say that I find it astounding that the the very people who preach tolerance and diversity the loudest are themselves completely intolerant of diversity of thought, ideas and any kind of dissent...

You're supposed to be very open minded about their very limited set of issues, any diversion from those will be met swiftly with derision and disregard.

 

[YoursTruli]

I have a complete transcript (via email - she doesn't promote herself, but I will) of her testimony at a hearing in Illinois from Vicki at cignot. Not only is she 'not informed' but quite a capable person in explaining the downside of the FDA deeming as well as state regulations that are putting her business and her customers at risk. It was an impressive testimony and not the only thing she has done either. Whether her walk-in customers know that (I suspect many do) hard telling, because she is not a self-promoter. I suspect that to be the case with many vendors.

...but their walk in customers should be made aware I guess is my point... lets face it, the active "online" community is well aware of what is going on, some more than others, but, the millions and millions of vapers that are not active in online communities and buy all or most of their vape supplies at the local B&M are the ones that need to be made aware and there is no better way to get this info out to them than directly from their local store.

 

[Kent C]

...but their walk in customers should be made aware I guess is my point... lets face it, the active "online" community is well aware of what is going on, some more than others, but, the millions and millions of vapers that are not active in online communities and buy all or most of their vape supplies at the local B&M are the ones that need to be made aware and there is no better way to get this info out to them than directly from their local store.

Next email I'll ask Vicki about that :- ) As for my local shop - they have the letters to reps out on the counter and the CASAA cards and every customer is directed to them. They have 5 shops in Toledo and I'm told that the same goes on in the other stores. Where it doesn't happen as much are convenient stores that sell all tobacco products as well as ecigs/cigalikes.

 

[YoursTruli]

Next email I'll ask Vicki about that :- ) As for my local shop - they have the letters to reps out on the counter and the CASAA cards and every customer is directed to them. They have 5 shops in Toledo and I'm told that the same goes on in the other stores. Where it doesn't happen as much are convenient stores that sell all tobacco products as well as ecigs/cigalikes.

Yep, Smoke Revolt

 

[Lessifer]

Next email I'll ask Vicki about that :- ) As for my local shop - they have the letters to reps out on the counter and the CASAA cards and every customer is directed to them. They have 5 shops in Toledo and I'm told that the same goes on in the other stores. Where it doesn't happen as much are convenient stores that sell all tobacco products as well as ecigs/cigalikes.

c-stores might be a hard sell, tobacco stores might be interested. I wonder what the difference in profit is between retailing e-liquid and selling cigarettes. I can only imagine that profit margin will get even smaller after regs/taxes kick in.

 

[YoursTruli]

c-stores might be a hard sell, tobacco stores might be interested. I wonder what the difference in profit is between retailing e-liquid and selling cigarettes. I can only imagine that profit margin will get even smaller after regs/taxes kick in.

might be even easier if they sell even more newly deemed products like cigars, cigarellos and hooka stuff in addition to ecig stuff too.

eta: the cigar shops here have been particularly active forward with customer info on the deeming

 

[Kent C]

c-stores might be a hard sell, tobacco stores might be interested. I wonder what the difference in profit is between retailing e-liquid and selling cigarettes. I can only imagine that profit margin will get even smaller after regs/taxes kick in.

saw this at Yahoo - so take it for what it's worth:
Per pack cost : 27 - 35 cents a pack.
RJ Reynolds price to dealer 63 - 87 cents a pack.
Average store profit $1 the rest is tax.

Source: have worked for rjr since 1982.
(a month ago)