Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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Perhaps we could use a light "entertainment" break. This is an old video, but I doubt much has changed except the machinery.

While it's repeatedly stated that no additional nicotine is added, other additives (when identified) pass by quickly. And I'm curious about the chemicals used in the different steps to prepare the components, like the sheets.


I enjoys how they gloss over the use of expanded components and floor sweepings. "to be more cost effective" Yeah, so you puff it up so you're using less of the product and pocket more of the money from your death sticks.
 

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This may get results if enough of us make a stand.

Vapers March on Washington DC
If vaping is a apart of your life you need to be here and Fight for your Right to Vape! So that includes you the Everyday Vapers, Shop Owners, Product Manufactures, Wholesalers, Advocacy Groups and more. Vaping has changed even saved so many of us. Now is the time to make a real difference, lets show them how strong the vaping community really is. This effects us all we are contacting everyone Casaa will have speakers at the march and we have contacted SFATA, Not Blowing Smoke and the list goes on. If anyone person, group or company would like to help and be apart all is welcome please contact us at info@americanVapeExpo.com
We will have buses leaving all major cities on the east coast more information on other cities will be posted at a later time. We will also post the date once it is finalized.

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To take this question a little further.... Are the China made products (juices, devices, etc) that were available back in 2007 even ALLOWED to be grandfathered under these deeming regs? I mean they arent USA products. They could all be banned outright under these new regs even if existing before the deemed date as foreign and ineligable. Someone tell me Im wrong and why.

Doesn't matter who made them. What matters is if they Were existing Market or TEST Market.:glare:
 
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I'm sorry if someone already posted this I didn't read every page but what is the FDA gona do about actual enforcement of this?Theres no way they have the manpower to send all kinds of people store to store seeing who is in compliance.Plus they have other duties so they cant put 100% of staff on vaping.This just doesn't seem thought out very well

The BATFE has plenty of jack-booted thugs. They will handle enforcement.

Who would have guessed that the FDA has their very own enforcement arm ?

Inspection, Compliance, Enforcement, and Criminal Investigations

Who are the OCI Special Agents

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I'm feeling a little uplifted by the press that's been shared today. And we have to thank ourselves for that even being a possibility, particularly when you think about the billions of bucks our opponents are prepared to spend with their BS disguised as "science". So smack yourselves on the back if you've ever filled out a petition, sent a letter/made a call/sent an e-mail to a politician, sent a survey in to CASAA, contributed $$ to CASAA for real scientific studies (that are read by real scientific people, not the jokers at the FDA who just play one on TV). If all that groundwork hadn't been done, our opportunity to fight this wouldn't be around now, even in its dimmest and most pessimistic form.
 

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To take this question a little further.... Are the China made products (juices, devices, etc) that were available back in 2007 even ALLOWED to be grandfathered under these deeming regs? I mean they arent USA products. They could all be banned outright under these new regs even if existing before the deemed date as foreign and ineligable. Someone tell me Im wrong and why.
After reading some other responses, you're probably right. But heck, when did that ever stop the Chinese? If this goes through, I guarantee the Shanghai index will explode in the food flavoring and perfume essence industries.
 

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It's gotten to the point where whenever someone even remotely connected to the government says they care about me I get paranoid.

Agreed. I don't want to be cared about, I want to be left to my own devices (ba-dum-dump). I get even more paranoid when they start talking about how something is 'for the children'- that's when you know it's about to get rough.
 

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Doesn't matter who made them. What matters is if they Were existing Market or TEST Market.:glare:

I would be stunned if they haven't included a way to exclude foriegn products from the grandfather date. I havent read the whole document. Can you point me to anything related to them in it?
 
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The media anger is hitting the news media outlets. More of this type of editorial will help in swaying opinion in our favor.

FDA went way too far on e-cigarettes: Opposing view
Good article. It's a guest editorial in USA Today. ANTZ will point to the disclosure at the bottom of the page, and say COI bias.

Here's USA Today's editorial staff's opinion:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/05/05/e-cigarettes-vaping-fda-teens-smoking-editorials-debates/83986508/

(Link broken. Copy and paste.)
 

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Agreed. I don't want to be cared about, I want to be left to my own devices (ba-dum-dump). I get even more paranoid when they start talking about how something is 'for the children'- that's when you know it's about to get rough.

I'm on the road A LOT. I have yet to see a "child" with an Istick and a Griffin. I've seen several puffing on coffin nails though.
 

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Unsubscribing from this thread, it's just turning into partisan party bashing.

People may hate a particular party for whatever reason, but I'm pretty sure BOTH political parties know how to cash a check from Philip Morris.

I'm against bashing. I'm not sure which way I'll vote, but I'm keeping my eye on whoever is running fastest to Protect the Children.
 

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I'm against bashing. I'm not sure which way I'll vote, but I'm keeping my eye on whoever is running fastest to Protect the Children.

Yeah, right? I've always thought that protecting children is the responsibility of parents, not government.
 

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Good article. It's a guest editorial in USA Today. ANTZ will point to the disclosure at the bottom of the page, and say COI bias.

Here's USA Today's editorial staff's opinion:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/05/05/e-cigarettes-vaping-fda-teens-smoking-editorials-debates/83986508/

(Link broken. Copy and paste.)
Guys, get over there and vote thumbs down on this editorial. We've got to get editors' heads out of their you-know-whats'.
 

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Sigh, It's all so sad, but entirely expected. I have a few liters of Armor Nic in the freezer and pretty much solely use mechs now, Smple's, REO's, Nemesis. I would suggest folks that use tanks utilizing proprietary atomizers switch to a setup that uses a rebuildable deck like a Kayfun, OBS Crius or the equivalent, easypeezy to build and should last a long time with care! Anyway, don't despair, another hobby I know a bit about that has been operating in the dark shadows for decades and decades may soon be brought into the light due to a manufacturer of equipment starting an organized effort complete with lobbyists (and sadly that is the only way to get yer politicians to take notice, a briefcase of money), so that may be the ultimate solution!:unsure:
 

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I'm against bashing. I'm not sure which way I'll vote, but I'm keeping my eye on whoever is running fastest to Protect the Children.
I agree. Both parties are susceptible to corporate money. In regards to vaping, we need to cheer the Republicans who are sponsoring the House Bill - and the few Democrats in that same camp. That's not party bashing, that's just stating who is standing behind the bill that could bring the date forward to 2016. It still stomps on innovation, from 2016 on, but it keeps vaping alive for those who deserve to stay alive.
 

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