Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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All great movements require great leaders to inspire passion for the cause and motivate people to concerted action. That person has yet to emerge.
Eta: There is plenty of outrage, but it hasn't been harnessed, focused and unified to have real impact.
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Yep I know what you mean. I've had people ask me if I'd build for them or if they can get nic from me. Nope, unless you have extenuating circumstances like a physical disability, etc I have zero sympathy. It's like the fable of The Grasshopper and the Ant.
The ones who are really affected are ones who won't build for themselves and depend on B&M's to build for them. On the 8th this stops immediately. I scratch my head every time I'm in a B&M and see this, especially people with Mech's, SERIOUSLY? Unless someone has a physical disability they're just being incredibly lazy and come August 8th they're in for a rude awakening.
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Have to agree with this post. Its like passing the man on the street corner every morning and he has a tip cup asking for change. You could put a few dollars in the cup....but what are you really teaching him? You are teaching him to stand on that corner every morning and waiting for you to come by. Or you could show him how to be the one walking past that street corner.
I've been vaping since 2009, back then you kinda had to DIY almost everything. I make my own juice, and can rig up a box mod myself. I am not scared.
Our community is ingenious, I have been so impressed with everybody, I watched this entire community INVENT itself. it's been so cool to watch this movement grow up.
Let the FDA try to ban Vaping... it's so silly of them. We are going to blow clouds in their fat beurocrat faces.. Who gives a crap?? [Other Stuff] is illegal to them as well, you can still buy a [Other Stuff] almost anywhere in the country...
WE WON!!! We stuck it to tobacco so hard they had to go crying to Daddy!!!! I haven't had even one puff of a stinky analog in 4 years!
The entire Vape industry basically spawned on forums like this one, and, after these regulations... there will be forums on how we can get around these regulations
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I would rather be underground than just be buying into some new corporate industry anyways. Keep Vape underground. Let them try to stop me from heating up a piece of wire.
Our community is ingenious, I have been so impressed with everybody, I watched this entire community INVENT itself. it's been so cool to watch this movement grow up.
Let the FDA try to ban Vaping... it's so silly of them. We are going to blow clouds in their fat beurocrat faces.. Who gives a crap?? [Other Stuff] is illegal to them as well, you can still buy a [Other Stuff] almost anywhere in the country...
WE WON!!! We stuck it to tobacco so hard they had to go crying to Daddy!!!! I haven't had even one puff of a stinky analog in 4 years!
The entire Vape industry basically spawned on forums like this one, and, after these regulations... there will be forums on how we can get around these regulations
.I would rather be underground than just be buying into some new corporate industry anyways. Keep Vape underground. Let them try to stop me from heating up a piece of wire.
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Well put, I have no problem teaching someone and passing on what I know for that's how everyone benefits. But I'm not going to do it for them.
Yes the underground will survive and prosper, government is actually shooting themselves in the foot. Not only the lost revenue from sales tax to businesses and employee taxes to the huge amount of money in health care.
But they don't care for they can only see the status quo and do what their masters in big corporations tell them.
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Yeah a lot of us feel the same way. And we did win a couple of battles, but the war is still waging on.I've been vaping since 2009, back then you kinda had to DIY almost everything. I make my own juice, and can rig up a box mod myself. I am not scared.
Our community is ingenious, I have been so impressed with everybody, I watched this entire community INVENT itself. it's been so cool to watch this movement grow up.
Let the FDA try to ban Vaping... it's so silly of them. We are going to blow clouds in their fat beurocrat faces.. Who gives a ....?
WE WON!!! We stuck it to tobacco so hard they had to go crying to Daddy!!!! I haven't had even one puff of a stinky analog in 4 years!
The entire Vape industry basically spawned on forums like this one, and, after these regulations... there will be forums on how we can get around these regulations
I would rather be underground than just be buying into some new corporate industry anyways. Keep Vape underground. Let them try to stop my from heating up a piece of wire!
Need to edit your post a bit......mods are going be all over it. (I edited it out in the quote tho. ) I know sometimes it sucks but rules are rules......
My last post was in 2010...
i took out the S word. If it's the W word... There has to be some contextual allowance... Maybe not... Thanks though.
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: FDA Botched Cost-Benefit Analysis of Its E-Cigarette Deeming Regulations
^An early morning lift me up! Even the comment section has a few good points.
^An early morning lift me up! Even the comment section has a few good points.
My last post was in 2010...
Thanks though.
Why we don't allow drug talk
This is one that isn't open for debate, contextual or otherwise.
Does everyone know about A Billion Lives having another premiere, this one in OK city? I usually get all the notifications and didn't get anything about this. I saw it on ECF FB page.
A Billion Lives - Oklahoma City Premiere
A Billion Lives - Oklahoma City Premiere
Yep, I would much rather go "informal" than return to smoking. The cabal that's pushing us into our shelters knows darn well they can't stop us from heating pieces of wire. But those of us willing and able to dig shelters are a small fraction of the vaping population. What will happen to the majority of current vapers who are either oblivious to the politics, or who've stuck their heads in the sand? What will happen to those who are still smokers, who would have switched at some point if vaping had been left alone?
I've been vaping since 2009, back then you kinda had to DIY almost everything. I make my own juice, and can rig up a box mod myself. I am not scared.
Our community is ingenious, I have been so impressed with everybody, I watched this entire community INVENT itself. it's been so cool to watch this movement grow up.
Let the FDA try to ban Vaping... it's so silly of them. We are going to blow clouds in their fat beurocrat faces.. Who gives a crap?? Weed is illegal to them as well, you can still buy a pipe and weed almost anywhere in the country...
WE WON!!! We stuck it to tobacco so hard they had to go crying to Daddy!!!! I haven't had even one puff of a stinky analog in 4 years!
The entire Vape industry basically spawned on forums like this one, and, after these regulations... there will be forums on how we can get around these regulations
I would rather be underground than just be buying into some new corporate industry anyways. Keep Vape underground. Let them try to stop me from heating up a piece of wire.
The selfish part of me agrees with you. I'm a DIY'er and nothing's going to stop me from vaping.
But the humanitarian side of me has to disagree strongly. Just like Mary Jane, e-cigs will save lives. And life saving treatments should not be illegal to the general public.
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I guess we now know how Edison felt when he was trying to bring electricity to the masses. The gas/kerosene companies were in the monopoly at the time and they weren't going down without a fight. In the end persistence paid off. I really think we will win in the end but I'm not sure it will be during my life time. But then, I never thought I would ever be able to call myself a non-smoker either.....The saddest thing in all of this...How many people will have to die before we win 
Seven senators join Ron Johnson to write FDA over e-cig regulations
Seven senators join Ron Johnson to write FDA over e-cig regulations
Seven senators join Ron Johnson to write FDA over e-cig regulations
Woo-hoo!!
Kaizen - Japaness origin meaning - continuous incremental improvement. Thank you for sharing.
I get that they are writing the FDA regarding premium cigars but the more eyes having issues with what the FDA is doing the better as far as I'm concerned.
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I was quite confused by the list of Senators at first.
- Bill Nelson (D-Florida)
- Bob Casey (D-Pennsylvania)
- Jon Tester (D-Montana)
- Marco Rubio (R-Florida)
- Robert Menendez (D-New Jersey)
- Joe Minchin (D-West Virginia)
- James Inhofe (R-Oklahoma)
Then I read the text.
<snip>" Rather than focusing on e-cigs and vaping devices, Sen. Bill Nelson and six other senators are questioning the FDA e-cig regulations as they pertain to “large, premium cigars.” "<snip>
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is the thought of the day
Ah, not wanting to bring politics into this too much, but appears the GOP likely candidate (no names, not political is still ok?) has likely chosen as his likely VP nominee of that party, the Governor of IN (no names, I'm still good, right?). That's the guy who signed one of the worst State laws crushing vaping and vape shops in that State. I know, he didn't create the bill, and it was the State Assembly guys who gave the business to their friend, but he signed it into law. Nuff said.
Yep, he sure did. One of just a few GOPers who caved into the lies.
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