Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[rothenbj]

This is from the Facebook page of a group that owns 5 shops......

They responded: “We have been long prepared for this. Changes may happen as this is just the first draft. But customers; trust me when we tell you we will be around!”

“Just the first draft..." So, not to worry! I'm so relieved.

Gee, I wonder what they thought the 2014 document was? If these people and others like them continue to hang their heads in the sand, they'll be out of business before they know it.

Do they understand that by the time the end of summer is here, unless they're prepared to shell out millions, they're out of business?

 

[DPLongo22]

Page 267 of the regulations, “FDA believes that [premarket review] (and the deeming rule as a whole) will not stifle innovation but could, instead, encourage it.” This is a nonsensical claim that could only be made by a government agency.

Yeah - just like they did with the Internet (cough!). How's THAT working out?

The shop that my son buys from told him that nothing would change for them, because they're "FDA Approved" already. He knows better now. Sad, truly.

 

[skoony]

And does anyone know how this FDA thing is going to succeed when they lost the lawsuit re nicotine shipments into the USA last time round?

That was because the FDA was trying to regulate nicotine as a medicine and the hardware
as medical devises and was before they deemed them tobacco products. If the seller of the
nicotine hasn't registered and passed one of the three avenues of entry into the market
nicotine or anything else simply will be ceased.
Mike

 

[Marina2]

@englishmick I think the "sheer audacity of the ruling and the absurdity of their public statements" is what's bringing even those who don't vape out to comment against this. We all knew this was coming but I think we had some faith that some (maybe a tiny bit of) common sense would prevail. Well, it didn't. We need to use the media as they're doing and let the public know that we aren't against age restrictions, etc. Decimating an entire industry that has the potential to save billions of lives is, as you say, absurd... bizarre and shocking even. But most have no clue that this is what's happening.

We live in an age where the common man has publishing power but we're not utilizing it as well as we should be. I've seen way less important issues trending on Twitter but not this one.

 

[mpols]

I was doing research on tobacco vs. ecig use among youth. The CDC lumps them together when they state that the total overall ecig/tobacco use among youth has remained statistically constant from 2011-2015. So smoking is down but vaping is up among kids. Does anyone have any research on use of nicotine vs flavor only vaping among youth?

 

[skoony]

I'm sorry if someone already posted this I didn't read every page but what is the FDA gona do about actual enforcement of this?Theres no way they have the manpower to send all kinds of people store to store seeing who is in compliance.Plus they have other duties so they cant put 100% of staff on vaping.This just doesn't seem thought out very well

The FDA doesn't need the man power. Many if not all states will ad their own regulations that
are identical or worse hand in hand with the taxation processes that will come along.
This is what happened with tobacco and alcohol and the Clean Indoor Act,ie.,the vaping
bans.
Mike

 

[salemgold]

This is a very nice attention-grabbing graphic, which should be shared all over the `net. Especially after the date is determined (**please DON'T be Aug 9-18, I have other plans). However, the word "anyway" should read as "any way," followed by a comma. Also a comma after "Manufacturer," and do not capitalize "let." Just sayin'.

Whoever came up with this, please don't be offended, and I'm not trying to be the English Nazi - I just think that any kind of literature, especially protest literature, needs to be correct in grammar and spelling, lest the movement lose credibility.

I agree with you. I am the one that posted the original post from FB here in this thread. There are just as many errors.

This was originally posted by Smokie (?) He is a YT reviewer.

This person The Rig Mod V2 Review made by Vaping American Made Products

I was just sharing the information.

 

[sparkky1]

Airfield security is covered under U.S. Code.

Actually, it's called the FAA

 

[Rickb119]

Of course it is. It's followed instantly with: "Many vaping industries, large and small fear these regulations will put an end to e cigarettes." as if minors are the only thing keeping them lucrative. Those who don't know anything about the rest of the 499 pages and it's entrails (which is most of the general public) are left wondering why anyone would be against these regulations. No wonder they support the FDA's regulations. They think the ecig industry is making billions off of minors.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[puffon]

@englishmick I think the "sheer audacity of the ruling and the absurdity of their public statements" is what's bringing even those who don't vape out to comment against this. We all knew this was coming but I think we had some faith that some (maybe a tiny bit of) common sense would prevail. Well, it didn't. We need to use the media as they're doing and let the public know that we aren't against age restrictions, etc. Decimating an entire industry that has the potential to save billions of lives is, as you say, absurd... bizarre and shocking even. But most have no clue that this is what's happening.

We live in an age where the common man has publishing power but we're not utilizing it as well as we should be. I've seen way less important issues trending on Twitter but not this one.

This is why I thought it would be great if the Billion Lives Documentary could be condensed to a 30 second commercial spot, and run in the mainstream media. Industry leaders, B&Ms could pool funds to make it happen.
I don't think non-vapers will go to see the film. We have to use the media to get the truth out.

 

[bobwho77]

Yep. I had free run of the local air force base as a field engineer for a multinational corporation. It was all good until one day when I was covering for a buddy who was on vacation. I entered a SAC area to make a call and the gate guard waved his arm at me. I thought he saw the pass in my window and was waving me on, so I eased through the gate. I heard a whistle blow, looked up in my rear view mirror, and saw him sighting down his M16 at me. I backed up and he told me that his first shot would have been my tires, followed by the rear window. Those guys are serious and obviously authorized to use lethal force.

Anecdotal, but representative of government's mandate for excessive control. He could have just keyed his radio and contacted one of his roving guard buddies to pull me over. They were everywhere in SAC.

On a SAC base? Those boys, and girls play with nukes. They're VERY serious about it.
If they think that you're a security threat, shooting you isn't just authorized, it's MANDATORY

 

[skoony]

OK, please can we stop worrying about a predicate product. There isn't one, and even if there were, any Substantial Equivalence application would have to show that it is, well, substantially equivalent: the burden for SE is huge. labelling, for instance, being a big part of it: the LABEL has to be substantially equivalent! A predicate (if found) is really not going to help.

Here's the catch 22 Joe. There isn't anything on the market today that's substantially
equivalent even if there is a predicate product. Every thing is substantially better. Even
the cigalikes have made improvements.

mike

 

[salemgold]

Not sure if this has already been posted here but, there is a lot of info here.

FDA announces "Final Rule" over E-Cig Deeming Regulations

https://www.federalregister.gov/uploads/2011/01/the_rulemaking_process.pdf

 

[WharfRat1976]

Did Mr. Zeller have the Final say in what would be Included in the Deeming"?

I wonder what role Mrs. Hamburg/Mr. Califf (and of course Mrs. Burwell) played in all this?

He is merely one head of a very very long Medusa like, snake.

 

[Munk]

Looks like I'm about to spend a ton of money on supplies.

 

[sparkky1]

Thanks for the clarification [emoji6] Seems like just about everything will be illegal in some fashion the way we are headed.



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There not trying to ban nicotine, there trying to stop the progression of a "cheaper / safer" alternative from thriving
Medical Uses of Nicotine Explored - Partnership for Drug-Free Kids
Basically, were talking about a legal cartel running the health care system

 

[skoony]

Finally got caught up. I have not much to add that hasn't been said already
other than my opinion concerning the FDA's ability to enforce these regulations
with out adequate manpower.

My short answer is they won't need the manpower nor spend too much time
with enforcement at all.

Starting now and for the foreseeable future most if not all of the states will begin
the process of taxation of these products. Thanks to the FDA's guidance assuring
the states that these products are extremely dangerous and are specifically
designed to hook the chillin' no doubt these taxes will make current alcohol
and cigarette taxes look like penny candy. part of this process will involve
assuring that these products are in fact legally sanctioned through the
FDA's approval process in order to make sure they are taxing legal products
not, counterfeit(bootleg) products. There will additional regs concerning noncompliance
at the state level.

In the end most enforcement gets done at the local level with a little Federal
intervention from time to time to make things look good.

Regards
Mike

 

[Munk]

Will these regs apply to hardware or just ejuice?

 

[skoony]

Will these regs apply to hardware or just ejuice?

both.
mike

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

I know that some of said that signing any more petitions is a complete waste of time. This is likely true. After all, they have not paid attention to the ones you already sign. However, this might be due to the fact that it takes 6 months to get 100000 signatures squeezed out of more than two million vapers! The latest petition has been up since the 5th and has only 50000. It only takes 30 seconds. I know that this will take time out of your busy hand check posting schedule, but really...

I mean, and I'm likely preaching to the choir here, if you can't be bothered to sign a petition that takes 30 seconds how the f*** are you going to take time out of your busy schedule to write a letter or email to your representative that might take 5 or 6 minutes?

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