Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Bronze]

In other words the US Government has proven that it cannot properly manage health care in this smaller segment,

That applies to pretty much everything they do including tobacco and alcohol management (and now vaping). Still the only amendment to be repealed.

How's that for continuing the derailment without derailing? Did you see how I did that?

 

[ScottP]

With no code words or hidden ingredients. HFCS is high fructose corn syrup. Corn sugar is high fructose corn syrup. And, what the hell are natural and artificial flavors? I mean cyanide is natural... Don't want it used as a flavoring.

I do my best to keep HFCS out of my diet. I try to avoid soda (Coke) and foods that contain it as well. It is actually kind of difficult to do sometimes though. What's wrong with cyanide? It has such a wonderful almondy aroma.

The best, easiest, cheapest way to fix a problem is to INCENTIVIZE the opposing behavior.

^^^ This. So much this. This also goes for everything. I have been saying the same about so called "global warming" since the scare started. If they want people using alternative energy sources, then find a way to make it CHEAPER than what we have now. Doing that would mean everyone would switch regardless of their belief about GW. Instead they want to try and and ram Cap and Trade down our throats causing people's energy rates to "necessarily skyrocket" and they wonder why people are REFUSING to change. I can't afford for my electric bill to triple but show me a renewable plan that is cheaper than what I am paying now and I'll switch in a heartbeat.

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

There already is a single payer system in the US that only serves a small segment of the population. It's called the VA. While the VA does a lot of good for a lot of people and some people actually get GREAT care through it, it is also severely mismanaged, extremely bureaucratic, and many people have died while waiting in a line to get in the line to be treated. In other words the US Government has proven that it cannot properly manage health care in this smaller segment, I KNOW they could not do it on a larger scale.



The term "Single Payer" does NOT mean patients get one bill, it means the US Government essentially becomes the insurance company for everyone and all insurance companies go out of business. Right off the bat that would put a few million people out of work, so not off to a good start. Just like insurance companies can choose what drugs are covered, the USG would too, but now that choice could be influenced by lobbyists and political donations. With the USG paying all the bills you can bet that to save money they would regulate people's choice to do anything that could cost them money.

Never said who or what gets the bill. Just that there was only one bill.



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[coldgin96]

There already is a single payer system in the US that only serves a small segment of the population. It's called the VA. While the VA does a lot of good for a lot of people and some people actually get GREAT care through it, it is also severely mismanaged, extremely bureaucratic, and many people have died while waiting in a line to get in the line to be treated. In other words the US Government has proven that it cannot properly manage health care in this smaller segment, I KNOW they could not do it on a larger scale.



The term "Single Payer" does NOT mean patients get one bill, it means the US Government essentially becomes the insurance company for everyone and all insurance companies go out of business. Right off the bat that would put a few million people out of work, so not off to a good start. Just like insurance companies can choose what drugs are covered, the USG would too, but now that choice could be influenced by lobbyists and political donations. With the USG paying all the bills you can bet that to save money they would regulate people's choice to do anything that could cost them money.

Works in other countries where their life expectancy is higher than ours.
Insurance companies suck. They are the most evil, vile entities on the planet.
I voted Republican in the last two elections so it ain't like that...

 

[Opinionated]

That applies to pretty much everything they do including tobacco and alcohol management (and now vaping). Still the only amendment to be repealed.

How's that for continuing the derailment without derailing? Did you see how I did that?

You know thats a question my husband asked me the other day and I didn't have an answer for him..

but what on earth is ATF doing these days since the T has been given to the FDA? Are we dropping the T from ATF?

 

[Mowgli]

ATF'ing AF w/no T

 

[ScottP]

but what on earth is ATF doing these days since the T has been given to the FDA? Are we dropping the T from ATF?

The ATF is an enforcement agency, not a regulatory agency. So the FDA regulates and the ATF enforces. Although to be fair "ATF" is an outdated acronym anyway. Their full name is actually "The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives". Maybe they should change to ATFE?

 

[Opinionated]

The ATF is an enforcement agency, not a regulatory agency. So the FDA regulates and the ATF enforces. Although to be fair "ATF" is an outdated acronym anyway. Their full name is actually "The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives". Maybe they should change to ATFE?

But the FDA is doing enforcement also.. They seem to have every aspect of the T these days..

 

[ScottP]

Maybe they can change to the AFE then?

 

[Rossum]

but what on earth is ATF doing these days since the T has been given to the FDA?

Try importing traditional tobacco products without paying the federal excise tax on 'em and see who shows up at your door.

 

[Rossum]

The ATF is an enforcement agency, not a regulatory agency.

Actually, they are responsible for firearms regulations.

 

[Opinionated]

Try importing traditional tobacco products without paying the federal excise tax on 'em and see who shows up at your door.

hahaha... you know I am tempted just to see.. but I do believe id rather no one show up at my door..

 

[Mowgli]

But the FDA is doing enforcement also.. They seem to have every aspect of the T these days..

FDA's stormtroopers - Inspection, Compliance, Enforcement, and Criminal Investigations

 

[Bronze]

Works in other countries where their life expectancy is higher than ours.
Insurance companies suck. They are the most evil, vile entities on the planet.
I voted Republican in the last two elections so it ain't like that...

Insurance companies, just like tobacco and vape companies, are nothing more than subsidiaries of the federal government.

See how I stayed on topic again?

 

[Opinionated]

Hey @Mowgli you know how every one has been frustrated with the low number of participants in the Flavor Survey from the vaping community?

Something we've not taken into consideration is how many people are having problems taking the survey due to software error?

If you read this post then this post then this post here

@LAwaters makes sense when she says:

Oh no! That stinks! I was concerned about the survey when I saw it was ASPX based - because that’s Microsoft and it’s buggy. They had to create the survey based on certain parameters and requirements of the FDA. Which means anything you create will be outdated and clunky. Ugh.

So while we may not have had difficulty with completing the survey, others may be finding it more than just difficult..

It's a thought anyway as to some of the issue.

 

[Eskie]

ATF'ing AF w/no T

It's not like they're doing a bang up job on the F part either.

Still, it's nice to know there are still thousands of government agents out there hunting down stills and moonshine.

 

[mikepetro]

Hey @Mowgli you know how every one has been frustrated with the low number of participants in the Flavor Survey from the vaping community?

Something we've not taken into consideration is how many people are having problems taking the survey due to software error?

If you read this post then this post then this post here

@LAwaters makes sense when she says:



So while we may not have had difficulty with completing the survey, others may be finding it more than just difficult..

It's a thought anyway as to some of the issue.

I had to try about 4 times, but this was a couple weeks ago.

Eventually it did work so if you are having trouble, and feel this cause is worth your effort, please keep trying.

 

[markfm]

Bodhi Leaf beans for me

 

[Opinionated]

I had to try about 4 times, but this was a couple weeks ago.

Eventually it did work so if you are having trouble, and feel this cause is worth your effort, please keep trying.

I never had problems filling it out and submitting it.. I think you completely misunderstood my post.

 

[Mowgli]

I had to try about 4 times, but this was a couple weeks ago.

Eventually it did work so if you are having trouble, and feel this cause is worth your effort, please keep trying.

One of the early issues with it was getting sent to a login window when the address was copy/pasted from the address bar. There was no redirector for a week or so. That in itself probably lost a number of people that told themselves that they tried and it didn't work. Some people probably quit after the first try.