Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Found this on another thread. A good article on the looming black market, from U.S. News and World Report:
What the E-Cigarette Black Market Will Look Like if FDA Stomps Industry
What the E-Cigarette Black Market Will Look Like if FDA Stomps Industry
If I had about a million bucks to gamble, it might be worth a shot. But then I'd be a predicate product and every Tom, Dick and Harry would apply for SE and I'd lose most of my market to competition. Now, if I could join forces with my prospective competitors and form a group to fund the initial application, I could see it might be worth the gamble. But right now I don't have a million bucks to spare. Oh well....
Yep. Unfortunately cigs benefit from over 130 years of being on the market and were even advertised as being "good for your health" as late as the 50's. Cigs have been entrenched in society for so long they've become protected because prohibition is too politically dangerous.
An exponentially safer alternative has been born but it's too young to protect itself. So it's easy to extinguish it by simply piggybacking the risk using the "looks like a duck" offense.
I am pretty sure that all of us that made it as far as this forum will find a way to survive this onslaught if the rules were to go unchanged. You have been around long enough to see the big pictureWould it be okay with you if I continue to do Both?
Stock up for my protection............and
Fight for others Right to Choose
I just don't get some of you people. The war was declared today. Just today. And many of you are ready to capitulate without a battle. Everything that has been done before today has just been bluster, feather ruffling, posturing and chest thumping. You can't fight a proposed regulation in the courts, which is all the deeming has been until today. Today it is regulation and this is the first day of the actual war. Today is the day that the war machines are brought to bear on both side to determine the victor. Today is really the first day we can challenge the deeming in court. There is no reason to cede the war before the first real battle is fought.
To be clear, everything we have all done to date has just been to mitigate the rules of engagement because we all knew the war was coming. So OK, the negotiations we not favorable to us. We weren't good enough to achieve that. We tried but were outplayed. Yup. So now that that is out of the way, well... we fight.
Take a vape and calm down a bit and forget the efforts of the past 2 years. I know it sucks, but that was yesterday and we need to focus on the war that started today. Let's not revisit our failed efforts at "peaceful negotiation". That crap is done and it's time to get real and get smart. We do have a good chance of amending (although in my opinion not totally eliminating) the harmful results of this regulatory framework that has been enacted by the FDA through deceitful manipulation of media and science. We don't have to lay down and play dead. That could be an option, but it goes against every fiber of my being. Nope lets get smart and brutal if needed. And we have more powerful allies that many suspect. We do have friends in influential positions that can help in the war and give us a fighting chance. We don't have to do all of this alone with our pitifully small political presence. We need powerful allies with some of this, and this is the direction we should be looking I think.
But no matter what. Don't give up the fight before even the first battle.
To be clear, everything we have all done to date has just been to mitigate the rules of engagement because we all knew the war was coming. So OK, the negotiations we not favorable to us. We weren't good enough to achieve that. We tried but were outplayed. Yup. So now that that is out of the way, well... we fight.
Take a vape and calm down a bit and forget the efforts of the past 2 years. I know it sucks, but that was yesterday and we need to focus on the war that started today. Let's not revisit our failed efforts at "peaceful negotiation". That crap is done and it's time to get real and get smart. We do have a good chance of amending (although in my opinion not totally eliminating) the harmful results of this regulatory framework that has been enacted by the FDA through deceitful manipulation of media and science. We don't have to lay down and play dead. That could be an option, but it goes against every fiber of my being. Nope lets get smart and brutal if needed. And we have more powerful allies that many suspect. We do have friends in influential positions that can help in the war and give us a fighting chance. We don't have to do all of this alone with our pitifully small political presence. We need powerful allies with some of this, and this is the direction we should be looking I think.
But no matter what. Don't give up the fight before even the first battle.
"Mitch Zeller, director of the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, tells U.S. News it's impossible to say if any e-cigarette product will be approved."
Today, I have vaped more than double the amount of juice I normally vape in a day. It hasn't quite calmed me, but I'd probably be a wreck on this day, without it.
I politely disagree. The best thing we can do at the moment is to keep fighting.
CASAA: FDA Deeming Regulations: Release and Next Steps
"The most important thing you can do is to make a call, write, or send an email to your Representative and urge them to cosponsor and support HR 2058. If there is one thing that has to be done, this is it. Encourage your family members, friends, everyone who has supported your journey to participate."
Point taken.
The second best thing we can do at the moment is to stock up on things we need: extra e-liquid, batteries, etc. At least have some for a little while.Vape on and continue the fight.
It's a bit of a cluster f. Not sure how it plays out. Since vapable juice is an end user product that is comprised of ingredients from multiple suppliers, who exactly takes the regulatory leap first? Nic suppliers deliver their diluted product to juice suppliers in a base that includes pg and vg. But that can be vaped by itself and already is by a portion of vapers.
Do juice manufacturers carry the burden of getting the nic supplier's product approved for vaping? What if a juice supplier simply wants to sell a nic supplier's product as is? It gets kinda muddy. Logically a nic supplier would be motivated to get approval first so the juice supplier starts off with an already approved product and go from there. It makes the nic supplier a very desirable source for product right?
I'm making my angry head hurt worse now...
I agree 100% this had nothing to do with protecting teens like they tried to claim and everything to do with making money, if they cared for these teens they spoke of how is basically trying to force them to switch back to cigarettes going to help them?
I will add that I will never buy a vape product from any of the tobacco companys and nether should any of you, you know damn well they themselves wrote most all of these 499 pages....
In the Purest Sense. The Only Authority the FDA has is that which Congress has given them thru Legislation.
No. The FDA can Not Make any Laws. But where the Abuse comes (IMO) is in the Way the FDA has Exercised the Authority that was given to them under the Laws that Congress has Passed.
BTW - Here is and Interesting Perspective on Deeming from a somewhat Unusual source.
FDA Deeming Rules Could Stifle Innovation - Convenience Store Decisions
FDA Deeming Rules Could Stifle Innovation - Convenience Store Decisions
If I hear one more Official Claiming an Infant already Died From Drinking E-liquid, someone is going to get an EAR FULL of not nice!!!!
This was a Tragedy and should NOT be used in a For the Children Campaign.
1) It was Nicotine BASE - you know, the stuff one DILUTES to make E-Liquids.
2) The Top was left OFF the Container
3) 2 Supposedly Mature Adults were in the same Room, and sadly did NOT engage in SAFE Supervision of the Child.
May as well been a Bottle of Colorful pills
Talk about Political ABUSE...........
This was a Tragedy and should NOT be used in a For the Children Campaign.
1) It was Nicotine BASE - you know, the stuff one DILUTES to make E-Liquids.
2) The Top was left OFF the Container
3) 2 Supposedly Mature Adults were in the same Room, and sadly did NOT engage in SAFE Supervision of the Child.
May as well been a Bottle of Colorful pills
Talk about Political ABUSE...........
Where I'm still murky is the legislative process. I know that Congress has given the FDA the authority. So they came up with the deeming regs. The regs were sent to the OMB/OIRA and then back to the FDA. Now what? Does Congress need to approve the final version one more time? Or the deeming regs become law automatically--unless Congress, POTUS, or the courts oppose them?
I am very new to this hobby and understand the concerns for USA residents.
Please excuse me for not understanding. But if I live in Australia and simply import my nic liquid from China will this affect Australian residents?
I only started vaping a week ago and feel terrible for us all.
Please excuse me for not understanding. But if I live in Australia and simply import my nic liquid from China will this affect Australian residents?
I only started vaping a week ago and feel terrible for us all.
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