Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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I have now, but didn't do any asking. I just see it as easy way for Trump to get additional support if he speaks to the issue, especially right now.

I didn't say you need to vote, just tweet, isn't it kind of the point to have presidential candidates speaking about their take in the mater so the rest of the nation can hear ?
 

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I feel Complete Disgusted and Betrayed by the FDA's actions. Not for myself. None of this will Effect me much. But for the Hundred of Thousand of current Smokers who will Never be given the opportunity that I had to Get Off Cigarettes.
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I've poured through 94 pages of this thread as well as the FDA site and I can't seem to get any definitive answer regarding local vape shops that make their own juice. According to the FDA site in 90 days they will be considered "tobacco product manufacturers" and would need to submit applications of various types in order to continue operations.

I called my local shop and they didn't seem at all concerned. Said they were already compliant with the 18+ restrictions.

So is this accurate? Will mom and pop vape shops have to cease mixing their own juices in 90 days?

Your Shop owner needs to read the 499 pages of the Document. They may be Age Compliant, but if they Mix - That is done. If they Sell Vaping Devices, those are At Risk. If they Sell e-quids from Manufacturers, those are at risk.

Seems there are still a lot of B&M owners taking the Ostrich approach to Deeming.:facepalm:

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I didn't say you need to vote, just tweet, isn't it kind of the point to have presidential candidates speaking about their take in the mater so the rest of the nation can hear ?
My question to him was a simple one: Where does Trump stand on what the FDA just released in regards to the deeming of Ecigs?
 

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My understanding of the regulation process is that the expected industry harm must be listed as part of the regulation documentation and if it can be shown to be significantly wrong can be challenged before actual harm occurs. But in this case, the FDA has estimated that 99.9% the industry will be eliminated by the regulations, so I don't think there is a gross mis-characterization of the expected harm to the industry. But, IANAL, so take my advice with a grain of salt.
Any discdiscussions of future harm were part of the comment period. There is a supposed path in the deeming regs but health,safety and the chillin' concerns trump whether or not they regs are to.much of a burden and or you have to drop out of the market because of the burdens. In either case one is out of the picture with out legal recourse.
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My question to him was a simple one: Where does Trump stand on what the FDA just released in regards to the deeming of Ecigs?




Perfect !
Now if we could get, well, every member to tweet ? if he starts talking about this on national media, maybe help the swaying congressman, it's gotta be better than nothing ..............
 

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I can tell you one thing. At least with Trump, I think there's a possibility that he would listen/hear out vaping issues. My sense is that it's not on his radar at all, not sure where he stands on smoker's rights, let alone vaping, but I like his saying what he thinks and not towing the PC line. I can guarantee that Hillary is not open one bit to hearing anything about vaping. She's pander a bit, but more likely she'd just dismiss it with her corporate big pharma buddies and continue the Obama line. Bernie Sanders is who I've been supporting but no clue as to his vaping stance.
 

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I can tell you one thing. At least with Trump, I think there's a possibility that he would listen/hear out vaping issues. My sense is that it's not on his radar at all, not sure where he stands on smoker's rights, let alone vaping, but I like his saying what he thinks and not towing the PC line. I can guarantee that Hillary is not open one bit to hearing anything about vaping. She's pander a bit, but more likely she'd just dismiss it with her corporate big pharma buddies and continue the Obama line. Bernie Sanders is who I've been supporting but no clue as to his vaping stance.

Tweet both and find out
 
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Regulations are Not Always the Oppressive, Market Crushing, Sudo-Ban like what we see here with the FDA's PMTA for ENDS.

However they are often pressed into existence and limited to Standards suggested by those with the most to Gain.

Now and again, they are Written well after Industry has corrected themselves working with consumers and local governments. <See Lead Paint> :ohmy:

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It is my understanding that in order sue for harm caused by the regulatory process
the harm must be caused first. You cannot sue for potential harm only actual harm.
Of course there may be other legal remedies.
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I don't know. I don't have any answers for this and have zero legal background. Maybe we are all just screwed and will have to take it all underground like they do in other countries.

Hopefully within the next few days we will get word from some legal experts on what their thoughts on these regulations and what we may or may not be able to do are.

I think that all of this speculation may be making us all a little crazy. I know that it is for me.
 

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I can't argue with Ms. Noll-Marsh but I can say that it definitely does not hurt to write your representatives. Go to this thread H.R.2058 - FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015 and learn how. It's VERY easy!

I called my rep's Washington DC office on the phone. I had about a 10 minute conversation with one of her staff. When I know she's in town, I'll go to her office, and speak with her in person.
 
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I didn't say you need to vote, just tweet, isn't it kind of the point to have presidential candidates speaking about their take in the mater so the rest of the nation can hear ?

I did tweet. I just didn't ask them to consider something. I stated it as a way I see Trump getting more support. Hillary is welcome to do the same thing. Neither is speaking to vaping right now. I think whatever one of them says, the other is likely to take the opposite position, but all this assumes either one of them has spoken about it. I just chose to cut to the chase because I truly believe if Trump tweeted something like, "the FDA rule on eCigs is preposterous. They obviously don't want to make America great again. When I become president, we will keep the FDA in check and defund such nonsense. I'm appalled at what they are doing to American businesses."

If he had that message, vapers would sit up and take notice. Trump haters might not budge much, but independent types I think would.
 

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However they are often pressed into existence and limited to Standards suggested by those with the most to Gain.

Now and again, they are Written well after Industry has corrected themselves working with consumers and local governments. <See Lead Paint> :ohmy:

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No Argument there.

And there are Many Regulations that are Poorly Thought out. And appear to be Written by a Marginally Educated, Non-Survivable in the Private Sector, Life Long Government Employee.
 

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Here is the Rub many may not realize about approval.

A Simple Drip Tip - something designed for user comfort.

Getting Approval could require proving it has no effect or showing what effect it has when applied to All devices it is made to fit.
Will it leave the devices unaffected?
Will it increase or Decrease air flow and delivery?
Will it cause more/less heating?
How will those changes effect chemical vaporization and delivery?
etc.
etc.
etc.
:facepalm:

This is an FDA game of Crack the nut!!!
Crush the shell.
Pulverize the Pieces into Dust.
Sweep up.
Dispose in the land fill.
:-x:-x:-x

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I Vape
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