Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[skoony]

Most vendors, even major ones, wouldn't have the cash flow for applications for even one product or eliquid. They may collectively have money toward lawsuits but in 90 days they will have to close shop - not enough time to get too far into a lawsuit, unless there's an injunction to stop closing.

Now i am really confused. My understanding is if the product you are making now or will be
physically for sale on the market here within 90 of publication of the regs in the Federal Register
you are automatically grandfathered ( a word along with substantially I am beginning to hate)
into the pre-market approval process with the 2 year application time limit. The 90 day
time limit introduces all under age sales restrictions and requires new products introduced
after 90 days to to remain off the market until approved by the FDA as being compliant with
the regulations.(no grace period after 90 days)

I haven't read the whole 499 pages yet but,I have seen some quotes posted here
from parts I haven't read that are in direct contradictions of what is stated in parts
that I have read. If i can recall specifics I will point them out here. As i recall after the
proposed deeming regs were released there were more than a few confusing and or
definite contradictory statements. This seems to be the case with the release of the
official release. In hindsight I believe then and now this is a deliberate tactical ploy to
sew confusion in our ranks and split us into different factions fighting for different
things. If it is not a deliberate ploy the only other thing that would account for
this lack of cohesion is it is a deliberate tactical ploy to sew confusion in our ranks
and split us into different opposing factions. If anyone notes these types of contradictions
please point them out here so we can hash them out.

Regards
Mike

 

[Katya]

Exactly right. Another scare mongering hoax. IF that is the case, then when we had 70-80% of the population as smokers, it would seem that they could have come up with at least one case. Either that or all are brain damaged - even Einstein and the other geniuses who have smoked since they were 10 years old.

Not to mention several presidents

, scientists, physicians, Nobel Prize recipients, authors, artists, inventors, generals--well, pretty much everybody who's ever accomplished anything... Most of them were smokers.

 

[Bronze]

They both voted yes to this bill.

Who voted yes to what bill?

 

[The Ocelot]

Since software updates are clearly spelled out to be included in the deeming, not only will the update be a violation, but any cord you use to connect to download it, would be a tobacco product, even if it's not the one that came with the device.

So add some standard USB cables to the list of items that can be affected by the intended use idiocy.

Your joke is really funny, but uncomfortably close to the truth.

I was playing 6 Degrees of Deeming last night. The software to update my mod was transmitted over a WiFi connection, which I also use for my phone. I phoned in a pizza order last night, which made my pizza a tobacco product.

 

[Bronze]

Edit...a few posts later...it took me a minute to get the pic

ummm, that appears to be photo shopped - original pic :

As if we needed to be told.

 

[CMD-Ky]

OhHolyCow !

And this means what?

 

[Bronze]

And this means what?

Exactly what we all thought....the photo was altered.

 

[classwife]

As if we needed to be told.

 

[Bronze]

Turns out I guess we did need to be told.

 

[supertrunker]

I was playing 6 Degrees of Deeming last night. The software to update my mod was transmitted over a WiFi connection, which I also use for my phone. I phoned in a pizza order last night, which made my pizza a tobacco product.

Can't you play proper party games like Twister or are we all too old?

T

 

[Steamix]

Okay, no debate. Can you name a few recent films that fit your description? I'd like to look them up and review them.

Maybe they can make more money NOT airing it...

Jes sayin' ...

 

[ZeroedIn]

Don't delude yourself into thinking that they are not already aware of these true scientific facts. Because they are. It's not about that.

Yes, I am aware of that.

 

[Steamix]

I was playing 6 Degrees of Deeming last night. The software to update my mod was transmitted over a WiFi connection, which I also use for my phone. I phoned in a pizza order last night, which made my pizza a tobacco product.

Jes' you wait when dem FDA finds out that some vapers/makers use dihydrogenmonoxide to make their VG less viscous ...

 

[Robino1]

A Billion Lives is premiering in New Zealand on the 11th.

 

[sparkky1]

I sent a tweet to Hillary about FDA Final Rule hurting America and she tweeted back, "What difference does it make?" And I was like, really that's your stance? And she's like, "I'm proud to say we will be putting the industry and lots of vaping entrepreneurs out of business."



Ooops, disregard what I wrote above.

Well I kinda knew that would be her stance but if you could spreed the word, when tweeting / facebook please don't start out your message with "I'm a vapor" just use, I support tobacco risk reduction
My whole stance here, we need to get a national media candidate to start talking about it, if we succeed with just that little bit, who knows how many people will open there eyes to whats really happening, that never had any idea

 

[The Ocelot]

On page 22:
" E-liquids that do not contain tobacco or nicotine or are not derived from tobacco or nicotine do not meet the definition of "covered tobacco product," as described throughout this final rule, and will not be required to carry an addiction warning or to submit a self-certification. "

However, on page 222:

"Also, as stated earlier, nicotine-free e-liquid that is intended or reasonably expected to be used with or for the human consumption of tobacco products in most cases would be a component or part of a tobacco product and, therefore, within the scope of this rule. These products will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis."

At some point the FDA could "reasonably expect" that vapers addicted to nicotine might add nicotine to nicotine-free e-liquid, making it a "covered tobacco product."

 

[The Ocelot]

If "Big Daddy" really cared about the health & welfare it's children it would try to mitigate video game/electronica addiction.

And energy drinks.

 

[Robino1]

I'm not a fan of regulating much of anything. Let people live the way they want. Let them be happy living the life they want.

 

[nicnik]

Hillary on the other hand has stated recently she would like to go after soda with sin
taxes, and Bernie disagreed saying it would punish the poor people. Just fyi.

Bernie, answering a follow-up question, said he does not oppose tobacco taxes. He said that tobacco taxes are different. Also, Hillary's support of Philadelphia's proposed soda tax is worse than at first glance.

People here have pointed out how recently, vaping and tobacco tax proposals have been omitting any reasons other than budget crises for the need for the taxes or tax increases. This reflects a new strategy for pushing sin taxes. The sin taxers feel like there's too much being leveraged against them politically from the nanny state arguments, and they blame that for the legislative failures they encounter.

Philadelphia isn't tying their soda tax request to any public health problems from soda and sugary drinks. Neither did Hillary Clinton make any connection in her support for the tax.

Here's an article discussing the new strategy, by a group who's been posting articles promoting sugar taxes:

Will the Bay Area Get Another Soda Tax in the Fall?

On the opposite coast from Oakland, Philadelphia’s mayor has been campaigning for a soda tax in his city. It would seem a tough sell: The proposed three-cent-per-ounce tax is a whopper, three times the amount of the one passed in Berkeley; it would add a considerable think-twice-about-it surcharge of 60 cents to a 20-ounce bottle of soda.

But as The New York Times recently reported, Mayor Jim Kenney isn’t talking about obesity or diabetes or “toxic” sugar at all. Instead, he’s talking about using the soda tax revenue to fund politically popular programs like, say, universal pre-K. It’s an idea that attracted a big-name shout-out this week when Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on a campaign stop in Philly said she was “very supportive” of Kenney’s plan, according to CNN. Political consultant Larry Tramutola, a veteran of the Berkeley soda tax campaign, told the Times, “I think Philadelphia may change the whole conversation about soda taxes.”

As for the mayor, when asked about how his proposed tax might benefit public health, he responded: “There’s really serious health benefits in pre-K.”

Clinton and Sanders' comments:

Kenney's soda tax gets national attention: Clinton likes it, Sanders hates it

Clinton on Wednesday said, "I'm very supportive of the mayor's proposal to tax soda to get universal preschool for kids. I mean, we need universal preschool. And if that's a way to do it, that's how we should do it."

Hillary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPf6eFyFuKU

(Link broken, so that Hillary's face doesn't appear on this thread.)

 

[vape-addict]

The nanny state sad no..we have to protect you from yourself