Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[nicnik]

I never once have said I supported Trump and have never once even hinted at it. That man is a tool. You must have me mistaken for someone else.

Sorry, I didn't mean you. I meant those who are promoting him here.

 

[The Eciginator]

I don't see nicotine called out - it's already regulated, so what is different?
They have to make sure not to specifically market it "for vaping". But it's an excellent pesticide...
Or maybe I want to bathe in it. Not their concern.
Unless I missed something...I don't know if DIY Nic is threatened or not - but just in case, it's a good thing most people can fit a lifetime supply in their freezer...

I wouldn't be surprised if the FDA will eventually require a permit (along with applicable fees, licenses, etc.) to purchase nic...

 

[drysprocket]

What about BT buying them out? BT can't be deaf to the criticism of cigalikes, so it might be in their interest to market at least one AVP.

On the other hand, in one of the hundreds of articles I've read in the last few days (which, of course, I can't find now), there was a conjecture that since ecigs, compared to cigarettes, are such a small part of BT sales, they might not be motivated to bring any ecigs to market, especially if the FDA successfully wipes out the competition.

This is a little O/T and preaching to the choir, but if someone feels the need for a break from the thread it is worth watching. I believe Oliver is in one of the episodes.

This is a really great doc, thanks. Only slightly off topic. I'm just starting Ep 2 here and it appears to at least touch on vaping. If nothing else, this is a great reminder at the history of the tobacco industry, and just how far they're willing to go. Know thy enemy.

And update, the first 20 minutes is all about vaping. Pretty interesting to see the pros and cons from an outside view...

 

[mcol]

Sorry, I didn't mean you. I meant those who are promoting him here.

I personally wasn't intentionally promoting him, I was agreeing with someone that
I found him the best candidate to help this cause. That's my opinion. I also
posted that I've been tweeting to him and Dr. Carson, to Corey and some others
in the Trump camp to find out his vaping position. Others may not agree, I get that
and I'm cool with it.
As for libertarians - I lived in New Mexico for years when Gary Johnson was Governor,
and he is well liked and respected there. Definitely he's an option in the election if
he's on the ballot. He was an awesome Governor.

 

[Train2]

Yeah - that actually would have made a little bit of sense...
I mean, I can at least UNDERSTAND someone thinking that juice/nic should be REGULATED - as it
a) need a license to handle cuz it's a drug
and
b) maybe something akin to restaurant health certification to run a juice lab

I mean, I'd still be stocking up on my DIY supplies, but at least the FDA wouldn't be obviously putting an insane agenda ahead of MILLIONS OF LIVES like they are doing with these regs.

I wouldn't be surprised if the FDA will eventually require a permit (along with applicable fees, licenses, etc.) to purchase nic...

 

[nicnik]

Dont assume all of us support that fool. We dont.

I don't, and I wasn't. I was responding to your saying this isn't the place for politics. Somewhat clumsily, I'll admit.

 

[Train2]

There's this...FDA does "inspect" thousands of cig retailers, and when they catch them violating regs, they get this
This may well be what's in store for vape shops in 2018...
Same penalty for selling an un-approved mod or juice as there would be for selling cigs to a minor...

 

[Taowulf]

I wonder what Evolv are planning to do.

Probably sue everyone.

 

[mightymen]

Is there anything in the Regulations that prevent selling products produced to vape flavored tea like device, tanks, coils and wicks and flavors?

E-Tea

 

[crxess]

This is a really great doc, thanks. Only slightly off topic. I'm just starting Ep 2 here and it appears to at least touch on vaping. If nothing else, this is a great reminder at the history of the tobacco industry, and just how far they're willing to go. Know thy enemy.

And update, the first 20 minutes is all about vaping. Pretty interesting to see the pros and cons from an outside view...

Could not stop watching this......and continually thinking...............and The FDA is going to Freely Hand over e-cigarette Production and control to......Big Tobacco

I love this country
It's governing body...........Not so much

 

[The Ocelot]

Page 129

"Finally, the newly deemed tobacco products may be subject to future regulations that FDA determines are appropriate."

 

[The Eciginator]

Is there anything in the Regulations that prevent selling products produced to vape flavored tea like device, tanks, coils and wicks and flavors?

E-Tea

Never heard of that, google brings up capsules you swallow?

 

[samsek]

Sorry my bad but TL;DR....will this also affect the likes of Capella et al for diy stuff?

 

[mightymen]

Tobacco Products

Vaporizers, E-Cigs, and other Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems (ENDS)

 

[crxess]

Sorry my bad but TL;DR....will this also affect the likes of Capella et al for diy stuff?

For personal Use, not likely. Capella sells to the general public and not for specific use.

 

[nicnik]

Sorry my bad but TL;DR....will this also affect the likes of Capella et al for diy stuff?

No. They'll still be available, but technically, you'd be breaking the rules if you use it for vaping, on account of the "intended use" issue that's part of the deeming.

 

[mightymen]

Never heard of that, google brings up capsules you swallow?

vaporizing flavored tea - Google Search

 

[nicnik]

Tobacco Products

Vaporizers, E-Cigs, and other Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems (ENDS)

On that page, there's a link to adverse reactions reported. A while back I browsed through a whole lot of them, and they were mostly claims of major adverse reactions from 2nd hand vapor.

 

[crxess]

Do Vaporizers and Fog machines fall under the new deeming?

After all.........if you breath in what it puts out - technically(per FDA) you are Vaping

 

[nicnik]

Do Vaporizers and Fog machines fall under the new deeming?

After all.........if you breath in what it puts out - technically(per FDA) you are Vaping

Nope.

And how about all the different vapor toys marketed for kids?

Nope.