Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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Grimm urges us to contact our representatives. It's easy to do. So once again, here is how you do it...

H.R.2058 - FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015

Sent this letter to my Congresswoman today. Please feel free to copy/edit/paste as you see fit and send to your elected representatives.
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Good afternoon, Honorable Representative Graham and Staff:

I write today to ask for your support of HR-2058, The Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015, sponsored by your colleague Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK), and/or any other similar legislation which may come before the House.

Please indulge a few minutes of your precious time while I explain why I ask for your support of this important legislation.

The FDA, as you likely know, on May 5th, 2016, released their Final Rule regarding the Deeming of certain products in the marketplace as "Tobacco Products." The 499 pages of this regulatory document includes items such as batteries, wires, electronic circuits, software, and even cotton and similar textiles, and surreptitiously classifies them as a "tobacco product." These items, which are clearly not tobacco products, are classified as such by the FDA, because they are components of Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems (ENDS), as the FDA would call them.

Myself, along with millions of other Americans who are now, or becoming ex-smokers, have taken up "vaping;" the use of ENDS, or Advanced Personal Vaporizers (APVs) as we "vapers" would call them, as a safer alternative to smoking conventional, analog tobacco cigarettes. These devices provide users an OPTIONAL dose of nicotine by heating a solution to an aerosol which is then inhaled. It does not burn or combust whatsoever, and produces no smoke. The exhaled emission is basically a water vapor, not much different in composition than the "fog" produced by "fog" machines used for decades in movies, theater productions, and other similar events.

The ingredients in the solution (e-liquid) include the following; 1) propylene glycol (PG), which is a substance that is Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS) for human consumption by the FDA, 2) vegetable glycerine (VG), which is also a substance that is GRAS by the FDA, 3) food-grade flavoring compounds, usually in a PG solution, or a PG and ethyl alcohol solution and 4) an OPTIONAL nicotine extract additive. The ingredients of cigarette smoke however, are well known to be harmful to public health and contain hundreds if not thousands of harmful substances. In fact, PG is commonly used as a vehicle for delivering other substances via inhalation, such as bronchiodilators in asthma inhalers; while VG is a common, non-toxic component of soaps, cosmetics, suppositories, and other items.

While the vaping community is not opposed to SENSIBLE regulation, such as codifying age restrictions for the purchase of these products, the sweeping regulations and onerous as well as prohibitively expensive Pre-Market Tobacco Application (PMTA) process as outlined in these regulations, will ostensibly create a de-facto ban on all such products currently in the marketplace, stifle innovation in the creation of new and improved products, and kill a burgeoning $3.4B+/year industry which has created tens of thousands of jobs over the past several years.

While the economic impact due to the loss of jobs will be significant, the more important issue is that public health will be greatly harmed by the inability of the vaping community to obtain goods and services to assist them with their continued journey of staying quit from tobacco cigarettes; not to mention those smokers who have not yet discovered vaping as a safer alternative to smoking who will be deprived of the latest generation of devices which have already helped millions of people world-wide.

I invite you to review research on vaping presented by Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos, a cardiac surgeon in Greece (E-cigarette Research), as well as the recent report from Public Health England (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...mmissioned_by_Public_Health_England_FINAL.pdf). After reviewing the material above from the medical community, I also invite you to visit the testimonials page at CASAA.org (Testimonials | CASAA Testimonials), where you can view thousands of stories from real people, like myself, speaking about how the use of Advanced Personal Vaporizers (APVs) has helped or is helping them "kick the habit," and its overall positive impact on their health and well-being.

I also request that Congress undertake a Congressional Review of these new regulations, due to the economic impact of so many lost jobs and the thousands of small businesses that will surely have to close their doors due to the excessive financial burdens of filing PMTAs to keep their product(s) on the market.

Thank you for taking the time to read this letter, and I pray that you will make the correct and honorable decision regarding this important issue.

Sincerely,
Your constituent
 

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From SFATA-

The past couple of days have been filled with misinformation and fear."

It has been two years since the FDA started the deeming process and SFATA has been there at every step of the way. Panicking and making rash decisions will not help our industry overcoming these challenges.

Kurt's thoughts here are a good reminder of that.

Kurt Loeblich
May 7 at 2:02am ·
The past couple of days have been filled with misinformation and fear. From claims that nicotine free eliquid does not fall under FDA jurisdiction to news articles speaking of FDA endorsed raids on vape shops in 91 days, it is abundantly clear that people DO NOT understand what these regulations entail.

As many of you are aware, SFATA had a conference call with ~600 members, their legal team, and lobbyist. Since the call ended, I've struggled with the idea as to whether or not I should discuss this phone call with you guys, the members of the Vaping community and my friends and family.

Why? What would cause this inner conflict?

It is now evident to me that we, as an industry, were sorely unprepared. The Sottera decision (NJOY v. FDA) put us in between a rock and a hard place. Now we are seemingly scrambling to find our way out.

That being said, I will keep the conversation (and many of the topics discussed) to myself. It is of my belief that the individuals tasked with the understanding and dissecting of these regulations need more time before they can better direct us with what we need to do in near future and beyond.

I am not, however, recommending that you wait until you are told what to do.

If you are a business owner, it is alone your obligation to understand the regulations as they are written. Hire an attorney. Call the FDA. Read the regulations. Doing ANY or ALL of those things is better than nothing. I personally have read them, and I'm not happy with what I saw, but it is what it is (until litigation or legislation change says otherwise).

If you are a consumer, feel free to get educated with the regulations (see above recommendations). However, do not share random social media posts with interpretations unless they are from a trusted source (as of this point, I wouldn't assert that anyone is an expert on these regulations).
Next, you need to continue to support HR 2058 and The Cole-Bishop Amendment, and simultaneously continue to express your concerns with your elected representatives. Become a member of CASAA if you have not already, and participate in their many calls to action. They alone will be YOUR voice.

Business owners:
Here's the deal. If you make eliquid, you are now a tobacco manufacturer. You will need to complete the PMTA process if you wish to continue manufacturing eliquid. If you manufacture hardware such as mods or atomizers (aka tobacco components) you will need to complete the PMTA process.

If you "manufacture" wicking, batteries, or any type of other vaping apparatus (pre-built coils comes to mind), it is of my personal interpretation that you will need to complete the PMTA process. My interpretation is subject to change once my attorneys complete their analysis and I will update you guys accordingly.

What direct steps do we need to take as an industry?

Realistically speaking, I don't have an answer to that. I have a fairly good idea what manufacturers and business owners will need to do (and the timelines associated with those tasks) but I don't want to make an announcement until further analysis is complete. I firmly believe that no true action should be taken until we have a very firm grasp on the regulations. Once again, I will update accordingly.

One last snippet worth mentioning:

We have three ways to "attack" these regulations in my opinion. A three pronged attack if you will.

1) Legislative - get your elected representatives on our side.
2) Public opinion - we need to support A Billion Lives. This film has the possibility of opening non-vapers eyes to this industry and the attacks we've been fighting for years. If we get the public on our side, it will be much easier to get legislators on our side.
3) Litigation - assuming we, as business owners, have grounds to file a lawsuit, it may also be an option. However, I strongly urge ALL business owners to not file a lawsuit. Premature filing can ruin any chance we have. I currently have my legal team looking into any potential claims we may have and, assuming there is something we can fight for, will keep relevant individuals in the loop. I wouldn't even say we are in the preliminary stages of a lawsuit yet. Once again, we need to understand these regulations inside and out before we take it to the Courts.

I'll do my best to keep you guys up to date with further discussions/information that is provided.

Love you guys. Hang in there. This isn't the end. We've got a long and difficult road ahead of us but I have faith that we can be victorious if we all persevere.

Well, this is pretty much my worst fear. It's sounds like the big groups are going to focus on Litigation, everyone can do their part for Legislative....but Public Opinion/Grassroots? *crickets*

That's why I've been preaching the 'we need a leader' thing. Forgive me for being a broken record, but I'm seeing a huge hole in strategy right there. It's like a thousand trees are about to fall in various forests around the US, but no one will be around any of them to make a sound.
 

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Sent this letter to my Congresswoman today. Please feel free to copy/edit/paste as you see fit and send to your elected representatives.
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Good afternoon, Honorable Representative Graham and Staff:

I write today to ask for your support of HR-2058, The Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015, sponsored by your colleague Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK), and/or any other similar legislation which may come before the House.

Please indulge a few minutes of your precious time while I explain why I ask for your support of this important legislation.

The FDA, as you likely know, on May 5th, 2016, released their Final Rule regarding the Deeming of certain products in the marketplace as "Tobacco Products." The 499 pages of this regulatory document includes items such as batteries, wires, electronic circuits, software, and even cotton and similar textiles, and surreptitiously classifies them as a "tobacco product." These items, which are clearly not tobacco products, are classified as such by the FDA, because they are components of Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems (ENDS), as the FDA would call them.

Myself, along with millions of other Americans who are now, or becoming ex-smokers, have taken up "vaping;" the use of ENDS, or Advanced Personal Vaporizers (APVs) as we "vapers" would call them, as a safer alternative to smoking conventional, analog tobacco cigarettes. These devices provide users an OPTIONAL dose of nicotine by heating a solution to an aerosol which is then inhaled. It does not burn or combust whatsoever, and produces no smoke. The exhaled emission is basically a water vapor, not much different in composition than the "fog" produced by "fog" machines used for decades in movies, theater productions, and other similar events.

The ingredients in the solution (e-liquid) include the following; 1) propylene glycol (PG), which is a substance that is Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS) for human consumption by the FDA, 2) vegetable glycerine (VG), which is also a substance that is GRAS by the FDA, 3) food-grade flavoring compounds, usually in a PG solution, or a PG and ethyl alcohol solution and 4) an OPTIONAL nicotine extract additive. The ingredients of cigarette smoke however, are well known to be harmful to public health and contain hundreds if not thousands of harmful substances. In fact, PG is commonly used as a vehicle for delivering other substances via inhalation, such as bronchiodilators in asthma inhalers; while VG is a common, non-toxic component of soaps, cosmetics, suppositories, and other items.

While the vaping community is not opposed to SENSIBLE regulation, such as codifying age restrictions for the purchase of these products, the sweeping regulations and onerous as well as prohibitively expensive Pre-Market Tobacco Application (PMTA) process as outlined in these regulations, will ostensibly create a de-facto ban on all such products currently in the marketplace, stifle innovation in the creation of new and improved products, and kill a burgeoning $3.4B+/year industry which has created tens of thousands of jobs over the past several years.

While the economic impact due to the loss of jobs will be significant, the more important issue is that public health will be greatly harmed by the inability of the vaping community to obtain goods and services to assist them with their continued journey of staying quit from tobacco cigarettes; not to mention those smokers who have not yet discovered vaping as a safer alternative to smoking who will be deprived of the latest generation of devices which have already helped millions of people world-wide.

I invite you to review research on vaping presented by Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos, a cardiac surgeon in Greece (E-cigarette Research), as well as the recent report from Public Health England (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...mmissioned_by_Public_Health_England_FINAL.pdf). After reviewing the material above from the medical community, I also invite you to visit the testimonials page at CASAA.org (Testimonials | CASAA Testimonials), where you can view thousands of stories from real people, like myself, speaking about how the use of Advanced Personal Vaporizers (APVs) has helped or is helping them "kick the habit," and its overall positive impact on their health and well-being.

I also request that Congress undertake a Congressional Review of these new regulations, due to the economic impact of so many lost jobs and the thousands of small businesses that will surely have to close their doors due to the excessive financial burdens of filing PMTAs to keep their product(s) on the market.

Thank you for taking the time to read this letter, and I pray that you will make the correct and honorable decision regarding this important issue.

Sincerely,
Your constituent

A Nicely Worded letter Zeroedln.

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Well, this is pretty much my worst fear. It's sounds like the big groups are going to focus on Litigation, everyone can do their part for Legislative....but Public Opinion/Grassroots? *crickets*

That's why I've been preaching the 'we need a leader' thing. Forgive me for being a broken record, but I'm seeing a huge hole in strategy right there. It's like a thousand trees are about to fall in various forests around the US, but no one will be around any of them to make a sound.
You are absolutely correct. Every movement must have a passionate, well presented, and sharp witted figure head.

Any successful movement needs this. Ghandi for India, Mother Theresa for the poor, Martin Luther King for racial justice, even Adolf Hitler (as much as I despise even putting him in the same sentence) moved his masses to action.

No figurehead, no message.
 

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This is the producer/director's first attempt at this sort of thing. LINK

I know a little bit about independent film making. My best friend, who is also a client, has been making documentaries for decades. His films have been on nationwide PBS multiple times and he's produced and directed signature films for Detroit and Kansas City. He's been nominated for a couple of Emmys. He currently has a feature length IMAX documentary that's in distribution nationwide.

My son-in-law has a masters degree in film directing from CalArts, one of the top schools. He is currently a full time filmmaking professor. He's made a number of short films and a feature theatrical production, none of which have made any money.

With virtually no exceptions, independent film producers don't make any money, especially on their first attempt. So they try to get their films into festivals, not because festivals are profitable (they aren't) or result in distribution contracts (they don't), but rather because they hope to get the attention of people who might be convinced that they have the requisite talent and motivation and who might be willing to finance future film ventures.

Almost 10,000 short films are submitted to Sundance every year. Only about 65 are selected. Very, very few of those will actually produce significant revenue. It's not at all unusual for a film to be shown at dozens of festivals all over the world and never make a dime. In fact, this is what typically occurs.

So, regarding A Billion Lives, don't hold your breath. IMO, while this is a hot topic, they should put it on YouTube and hope somebody with money to invest will see it and back their next project.


While I'm sure Aaron Biebert, the filmmaker for A Billion Lives, wouldn't argue with being labeled the next John Cassavetes, that's really not what the production is about. Although not a vaper or even smoker himself, Biebert realized that we are getting the shaft and wanted to do something about it. Biebert doesn't have an info page on IMDB, nor a single entry for any other job in the film industry, not something you can typically say about someone using a subject to make a name for themselves. He is however been involved in media production, so there is that.

As more and more entries in film festivals are making political, cultural or social statements rather than just saying "look at what I can do" it seems only fitting that our fight be represented as well.

The premiere will be in New Zealand on the 11th. World Premiere ‘a Billion Lives’ – in New Zealand | Scoop News
 

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My years of being in the online marketing world tell me one clear truth. Whomever controls the narrative of the debate, controls the debate. Even the media follows suit. (Money and shameless self promotion helps too.)

You'll find this eminently on display in our current election cycle. Hillary under inditement (nearly) and Donald with no actual plans, at all. They both have controlled the narrative. They both are despised equally by more than half of America, but they are the presumptive nominees.

That's narrative at work. Its all marketing. Nothing more. Nothing less. Smoke and mirrors. America buys it. Go figure. Apathy on full display.

CASAA and other orgs do a lot of work (and should be supported) but they are not leading with a plan, not controlling the narrative, not mastering media. Social media is not enough. You need the press to follow. That is why Sanders was able to compete and raise so much money. He got the press in lock step with social media.

Our orgs like CASAA are all reactionary. Being proactive is not responding to a problem. Its leading with a solution. We knew all this was coming. We knew (generally) what moves would be made. Instead of heading it off at the pass and getting media narrative in lock step, we waited to see what the FDA would do.

The govt distracted us with state and local vaping issues and successfully fractured the front line. They scattered us from the only real target. The FDA and Congress. They, thus far have won the narrative and control it.

We need to stop looking for loopholes and start controlling narrative.

Ive thought long on this and that is my two cents.

Donald has a plan, he's going to be in court wed for racketeering charges ...............
 

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I'll see your Boxer and raise you a Malarky, I mean Markey. He's the one who gave the speech saying the industry should be killed. Elizabeth Warren has also supported the deeming much to my dismay.

I'll see your Boxer and Markey and raise you a Wasserman Shultz. :p
 

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Sent this letter to my Congresswoman today. Please feel free to copy/edit/paste as you see fit and send to your elected representatives.
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Good afternoon, Honorable Representative Graham and Staff:

I write today to ask for your support of HR-2058, The Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015, sponsored by your colleague Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK), and/or any other similar legislation which may come before the House.

Please indulge a few minutes of your precious time while I explain why I ask for your support of this important legislation.

The FDA, as you likely know, on May 5th, 2016, released their Final Rule regarding the Deeming of certain products in the marketplace as "Tobacco Products." The 499 pages of this regulatory document includes items such as batteries, wires, electronic circuits, software, and even cotton and similar textiles, and surreptitiously classifies them as a "tobacco product." These items, which are clearly not tobacco products, are classified as such by the FDA, because they are components of Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems (ENDS), as the FDA would call them.

Myself, along with millions of other Americans who are now, or becoming ex-smokers, have taken up "vaping;" the use of ENDS, or Advanced Personal Vaporizers (APVs) as we "vapers" would call them, as a safer alternative to smoking conventional, analog tobacco cigarettes. These devices provide users an OPTIONAL dose of nicotine by heating a solution to an aerosol which is then inhaled. It does not burn or combust whatsoever, and produces no smoke. The exhaled emission is basically a water vapor, not much different in composition than the "fog" produced by "fog" machines used for decades in movies, theater productions, and other similar events.

The ingredients in the solution (e-liquid) include the following; 1) propylene glycol (PG), which is a substance that is Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS) for human consumption by the FDA, 2) vegetable glycerine (VG), which is also a substance that is GRAS by the FDA, 3) food-grade flavoring compounds, usually in a PG solution, or a PG and ethyl alcohol solution and 4) an OPTIONAL nicotine extract additive. The ingredients of cigarette smoke however, are well known to be harmful to public health and contain hundreds if not thousands of harmful substances. In fact, PG is commonly used as a vehicle for delivering other substances via inhalation, such as bronchiodilators in asthma inhalers; while VG is a common, non-toxic component of soaps, cosmetics, suppositories, and other items.

While the vaping community is not opposed to SENSIBLE regulation, such as codifying age restrictions for the purchase of these products, the sweeping regulations and onerous as well as prohibitively expensive Pre-Market Tobacco Application (PMTA) process as outlined in these regulations, will ostensibly create a de-facto ban on all such products currently in the marketplace, stifle innovation in the creation of new and improved products, and kill a burgeoning $3.4B+/year industry which has created tens of thousands of jobs over the past several years.

While the economic impact due to the loss of jobs will be significant, the more important issue is that public health will be greatly harmed by the inability of the vaping community to obtain goods and services to assist them with their continued journey of staying quit from tobacco cigarettes; not to mention those smokers who have not yet discovered vaping as a safer alternative to smoking who will be deprived of the latest generation of devices which have already helped millions of people world-wide.

I invite you to review research on vaping presented by Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos, a cardiac surgeon in Greece (E-cigarette Research), as well as the recent report from Public Health England (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...mmissioned_by_Public_Health_England_FINAL.pdf). After reviewing the material above from the medical community, I also invite you to visit the testimonials page at CASAA.org (Testimonials | CASAA Testimonials), where you can view thousands of stories from real people, like myself, speaking about how the use of Advanced Personal Vaporizers (APVs) has helped or is helping them "kick the habit," and its overall positive impact on their health and well-being.

I also request that Congress undertake a Congressional Review of these new regulations, due to the economic impact of so many lost jobs and the thousands of small businesses that will surely have to close their doors due to the excessive financial burdens of filing PMTAs to keep their product(s) on the market.

Thank you for taking the time to read this letter, and I pray that you will make the correct and honorable decision regarding this important issue.

Sincerely,
Your constituent
Wow! I was so impressed with your work here that I have copied and will resend to all the REPs i have already sent correspondence to again (from a different email :) ) and will spend some time carpet bombing every REP I can find a email for local or not!

Thanks
 

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They will all make it through the Substantially Equivalent exemption to regulation.
No. Big Tobacco cigalikes would also have to go the PMTA route.
I have this sinking feeling that the chance of an open system or bottled nic getting approved may be lower than many of us think.
If by many of us you are NOT referring to me, then I would agree.
I am quite certain the chances of either are zero.
 
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These regulations show one of two things (maybe both)
1) The FDA is totally ignorant of the way modern vaporizer systems work, and/or
2) They intend to utterly crush the market for open tank vaporizer systems.
(OK it's both)
EVERY possible battery/tank/coil combination could potentially be deemed a unique device, subject to it's own PMTA requirements. The way (An XCube mini, with a TFV4? OK. How many different coils do they make for that? You can use a Triton on there? Hmmm... You need to test that, too...)
There could well be more possible combinations of components than there are vapers in the US

Oh, they aren't ignorant, this was intended. They stated in the deeming that it would be easier and more beneficial to get a closed system passed. And who, pray tell, sells only closed systems?
 

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You are absolutely correct. Every movement must have a passionate, well presented, and sharp witted figure head.

Any successful movement needs this. Ghandi for India, Mother Theresa for the poor, Martin Luther King for racial justice, even Adolf Hitler (as much as I despise even putting him in the same sentence) moved his masses to action.

No figurehead, no message.
So Rip Tripper for vaping?
 

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And on the subject of petitions--just got another response from the White House. WOOT! :facepalm:

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Following up on your petition on the tobacco regulations:

A few months back, we sent an initial response to a petition you signed on the tobacco deeming regulations. At the time, the rule in question was still under interagency review. But now, there's more to say.

Last week, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration finalized a rule extending its authority to all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, cigars, hookah tobacco, and pipe tobacco, among others.

This rule will allow the FDA to improve public health and protect future generations from the dangers of tobacco use through a variety of steps, including restricting the sale of these tobacco products to minors nationwide.

Tobacco use poses a significant threat to public health and is the leading cause of preventable deaths in the U.S. today. While there has been a major decline in the use of traditional cigarettes among youth over the past decade, their use of other tobacco products, including e-cigarettes, continues to climb.

In 2015, 3 million middle and high school students were using e-cigarettes.

Prior to FDA’s actions this week, there was a big difference between the rules for the makers of traditional tobacco cigarettes and the rules for these new products.

If you were to purchase a traditional cigarette today, you would be warned about the health risks. You'd also be over the age of 18, because it is illegal to sell cigarettes to minors. These safeguards have greatly contributed to the decline in smoking. But the newer tobacco products haven't had these same safeguards in place.

The new regulations are aimed at making sure all tobacco manufacturers and retailers follow the same rules -- rules to protect children and make sure everyone can make informed decisions about their own health and the products they purchase.

So what do the new provisions say? For starters:

  • Stores will not be allowed to sell e-cigarettes, cigars, and hookah tobacco to people under 18 years of age.
  • All sales to those 26 and under will require a photo ID -- just like needing an ID for cigarettes.
  • Manufacturers will be required to place health warnings on product packages and ads.
You can read more about the new regulations and what this means for manufacturers, retailers, and our nation's health here.

These regulations mark a new chapter in the FDA's efforts to end preventable tobacco-related disease and death, ensure consumers can make informed decisions, and protect the health of America's youth from the dangers of tobacco.

Thanks again for raising your voice on this issue.

-- The We the People Team

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We need to stop looking for loopholes and start controlling narrative.

Ive thought long on this and that is my two cents.
Two cents?
That's nothing.

I'll give you $100 if you tell us how to do that.
And by that, I mean, in a way that will actually work.
:)
 

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Maybe, crazy (even staged crazy) isnt always a bad thing. Shock and awe works too.

I do think tho Mr. Busardo would be a very good choice.

Yes but Rip Trippers has that "I'm a douche persona" about him. Phil is very professional, very smart, (he has a patent) and could appeal to non smokers. Same for Dimitri who is doing a TON of advocacy.
 

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And energy drinks.

Hey, leave my energy drinks alone!!! :-x

I am well past ...... at having my personal liberties as an adult continually encroached upon "for the children".

Big Gubmint is the worst "parent" imaginable.
 

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Speaking of, what we really need is John Oliver to do a segment on this. In fact, I'd say his show is the single best thing that could happen at this point. His show hits the exact demo that we need, and Washington takes notice when he does a segment. My two cents- I think everyone should put their efforts into trying to get one show/person to address it instead of spreading out the efforts.
I think the show is perfect for our cause. They do some incredibly effective advocacy for a range of issues, seemlingly nearly always of an anti-corruption theme, especially idiotic corruption. They can reach a lot of the people who, so far, have been unwilling to hear us, and can turn them into an overnight internet advocacy army. It's happened a bunch of times with other issues.

At two of the California comittee hearings last year, among the people who stepped up to the microphone, saying who they are and that they're opposed, someone said they represented some "JeffWeCan" organization. I forget the exact name. That gave me some hope.
 
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