Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Anti-vaccers do not have the RCP and PHE behind their claims.
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Maybe, but I just don't see the general public jumping on the wagon with us. My family is so happy that I don't smoke anymore, and that I've been off them for over 4 years. However, with all the media lately, they are now worried and constantly ask me when I'm going to stop vaping. I think the media has done an excellent job at scaring the crap out of people about vaping - I think in the amount of time we have, it will be hard to win them over.
I agree. All the 3 and 4 letter agencies are the executive branch. Many of the regulations set forth by them are THEIR 'interpretation' of what Congress passed. There have been many instances where congress representatives have seen the regulation and have said (even the sponsors and co-sponsors - and esp. with the EPA) "That is NOT what we intended!" And sometimes they make a new law stating that. Otherwise it's up to the executive how some law will be 'executed'.
So any President could appoint someone who would wipe out the deeming. In this case, all that would have to be said is that at the time that the Family Tobacco Control Act was passed, ecigarettes were virtually non-existent, there was no discussion in the House or the Senate about them, so there is no way they would have been part of that Act. And they are not, in fact, 'tobacco products'.
I can't wait to see what the FDA has to say ... when they get caught banning devices that are 100% successful at helping people quit smoking.
Literally, lives are at stake here
Literally, lives are at stake here
I think either approach is fine. But I see this FDA move as purely power and money. I don't think we stand a chance of winning the money game. BT/BP has a whole lot more than the vaping community. But we do have a chance on the power front. Nothing scares a politician more than an inbox full of emails threatening their electability. They know no amount of BT/BP money can switch those voters.
The FDA Deeming Regs just announced could be etched in stone. But regulators and legislators can craft laws and regs to unetch them as fast as they got etched. In other words, Washington can do whatever it damn well pleases. This is why many of our current laws are unconstitutional.
but it's a good idea! :- )
I could be Wrong in this. But I Don't Think any Regulations are Etched in Stone. But it would take Political Backbone from the Office of the President and Bi-Partisan Support by Congress.
And Political Backbone and getting Bi-Partisan Support on Important Issues seem to be about as Easy as Figuring Out what do about Yucca Mountain.
There are plenty of us "grey heads" out there to fil-um.
I love Liz! I don't know if you've seen her videos. She doesn't always talk about vaping, she's more like a friend to have a cuppa with.
She's is the UK, so won't be affected the way we are,
Edit: She did, check my next post.
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I think you are right but it has to be just prior to an election/re-election. Example: When I worked in a gov job, the Governor at the time mandated a protection for children law after a child was brutally murdered. That mandate stood for many years but my agency always wanted to get rid of it in favor of some other flavor of the week. They were unsuccessful for years because no Gov. wanted to risk losing votes. I was told it was going to be changed one year and I didn't believe it. Management said it likely would be changed soon because the current Governor's term was ending. In other words, no public voters to worry about. Guess what? The mandate was changed just as my agency wanted and said would happen. The Gov. changed it just prior to leaving office.
If this has been posted already, please accept my apologies for not reading back. GREAT find, @Katdarling , and one that could be a break in the clouds for our cause.
It’s Time for Presidential Candidates to Weigh In on the Overregulation of Vapor Products
ATR is an active and known entity, with at least some influence with the representatives. Their words are strong, supportive, and could possibly be attention-getting. What this tells me is that they're hearing us.
It's one worth sharing. A lot.
Keep the pressure ON.
It’s Time for Presidential Candidates to Weigh In on the Overregulation of Vapor Products
ATR is an active and known entity, with at least some influence with the representatives. Their words are strong, supportive, and could possibly be attention-getting. What this tells me is that they're hearing us.
It's one worth sharing. A lot.
Keep the pressure ON.
I think it started here:
FDA Deeming updates - Tuesday May 10th community events
And maybe not with Lessifer (who said: ("not his opinion") but the video itself. But Katya set the record straight on flavors here:
Tuesday May 10th community events
"So I went back to the source--the Cole-Bishop amendment doesn't say anything about flavors." ... and quotes the amendment. What VPA is doing, I'm not sure.... I support both the HR 2058 bill and the amendment and as others have said, as have I, the Appropriations Bill has the better chance because the Prez would have to veto a main spending bill to get rid of the amendment (if it goes to him as written). I just wish that CASAA (perhaps they do now) would have a CTA for the Approp. bill as well as the HR 2058 - both of which then could be supported here.
Sorry, but I need to post Liz's latest video since she talks about the restrictions in the US. She does ramble sometimes, but she just seems so nice.
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