Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Kent C]

I don't worry as much about it passing the committee (made of a majority of Republicans) near as much as I worry about a cloture vote that will require Democrats. I just don't know if adding an amendment to a spending bill classifies it the same as a spending bill and, thus, not subject to a cloture vote.

Don't think one can separate out an amendment from a spending bill - it's still a spending bill, however, from the link:

"Under regular Senate procedure, then, the Senate may consider each committee amendment before Senators offer other unrelated amendments from the floor. But the Senate may not dispose of all committee amendments at the beginning of the amending process. In fact, when a committee reports a measure with an amendment in the nature of a substitute for the entire text of the bill, the vote on that committee amendment may conclude the amending process and immediately precede the vote on passing the bill."

And:
"The Senate requires only that amendments be germane when they are offered (1) to general appropriations bills and budget measures."

So there would be a determination of whether the amendment is 'germane'. But I would think that the wording of the amendment would include some wording to make it germane to the Appropriations bill. Unlike 'earmarks' in the House that are sometimes totally not germane :- ) I could list a few but some are really well known. Maxine Waters earmarks for her own district in California for an Emergency Flood relief regarding the Mississippi flood some years back.

 

[danieljm]

How does Government win when people object?

PEOPLE LOSE INTEREST!!!

Why is it I am the only one that has Slammed the FDA on their PUBLIC Facebook page since Early May?





Guess I should start looking for Black Helicopters

I just did not even two days ago, but I can again =D

 

[Kent C]

The Senate Appropriations Committee passed their agricultural bill yesterday. How does that fit in, at this point?

I don't think so - link?? It would 'fit in' if it has an amendment similar to Cole/Bishop. If NOT, then something would have to be done in the "Joint Committee" to resolve any differences - but then, only if and when both bills pass both Chambers.

eta: found it...

Senate Appropriations Committee approves FY2017 ag bill

Looks like no amendment - but haven't read the bill yet....

 

[Bronze]

Don't think one can separate out an amendment from a spending bill - it's still a spending bill, however, from the link:

"Under regular Senate procedure, then, the Senate may consider each committee amendment before Senators offer other unrelated amendments from the floor. But the Senate may not dispose of all committee amendments at the beginning of the amending process. In fact, when a committee reports a measure with an amendment in the nature of a substitute for the entire text of the bill, the vote on that committee amendment may conclude the amending process and immediately precede the vote on passing the bill."

And:
"The Senate requires only that amendments be germane when they are offered (1) to general appropriations bills and budget measures."

So there would be a determination of whether the amendment is 'germane'. But I would think that the wording of the amendment would include some wording to make it germane to the Appropriations bill. Unlike 'earmarks' in the House that are sometimes totally not germane :- ) I could list a few but some are really well known. Maxine Waters earmarks for her own district in California for an Emergency Flood relief regarding the Mississippi flood some years back.

And with the GOP in control of the senate they will be the ones to decide what "germane" means.

 

[Bob Chill]

I just did not even two days ago, but I can again =D

I've been doing it nearly daily on the home page along with many other people. The FDA house cleans daily and deletes them but it's pretty amusing either way.

The specific page for comments on the regulations is an echo chamber. The only ones who go there are people like us. And all the FDA's responses are canned and stupid.

 

[Icemanxxxv]

I put my trust in Sig Sauer P220

Mine in Para USA Expert Carry 45 acp

Sent from my SM-G900T3 using Tapatalk

 

[nicnik]

I don't think so - link?? It would 'fit in' if it has an amendment similar to Cole/Bishop. If NOT, then something would have to be done in the "Joint Committee" to resolve any differences - but then, only if and when both bills pass both Chambers.

eta: found it...

Senate Appropriations Committee approves FY2017 ag bill

Looks like no amendment - but haven't read the bill yet....

Wisconsin Ag Connection - National/World News - Senate Committee Advances 2017 Ag Appropriations Bill

I opened several articles on it and scanned for mention of our issue. Nothing, at least in the articles.

edit: didn't see your edit

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

A good portion of the FDA's defense of the regulations isn't exactly bullet proof. Some parts of it appear (at least to me) to be on a bit of shaky ground.

Their arguments don't need to be rooted in facts or science any more. They feel they have history on their side citing regrets not to control the tobacco industry sooner than they did. And lest anyone be fooled - this a very compelling and frightening argument which has gotten us to this point now. The "precautionary principal" becomes more acceptable in light of past mistakes. (It also helps politicians careers).

I told her that vaping WASN'T smoking, and that if/when I gave it up was MY decision, not hers. Then I drove to our local B&M, and bought a new MVP2, and an iClear 30b.

How's life living in the garage now? (I think you left that part out. )

 

[Kent C]

Wisconsin Ag Connection - National/World News - Senate Committee Advances 2017 Ag Appropriations Bill

I opened several articles on it and scanned for mention of our issue. Nothing, at least in the articles.

edit: didn't see your edit

One note mentioning it:

"APPROPS SUBCOMMITTEE GIVES LITTLE BOOST TO FDA — The Senate Appropriations Agriculture-FDA subcommittee approved a bill Tuesday that provides a modest lift to FDA’s discretionary budget for medical product safety: $11.9 million. The topline discretionary figure for the whole agency is $2.759 billion.

… The legislation itself won’t be released before Thursday, when the full committee marks it up. That’s when there could be fireworks around various amendments and/or riders — such as the House appropriators’ provision to undercut FDA’s oversight of e-cigarettes."



Read more: http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/politico-pulse/2016/05/house-to-vote-on-zika-package-today-214364#ixzz49DrebB1k

 

[DC2]

The status quo is failing us but there's no way to break the cycle it seems.

There are ways to break the cycle.
Most of them have been branded as Politically Incorrect by the PC Police.

The sheep have been bullied into submission by the PC Police.
Just like the ANTZ have done to us.

Reject the lies and the feel-good crap, and embrace truth.
That's the way to break the cycle.

It will never happen.
We lose more and more ground with every passing minute.

And every time someone points to Europe as a model for us, it's one more nail in the coffin.
They are not enlightened, they are just further ahead of us on the road to enslavement.

I'm looking at you San Francisco and New York.

That's all I'm going to say about my political views.
I'll just go back to liking posts of those who say something I agree with.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

...provides a modest lift to FDA’s discretionary budget for medical product safety: $11.9 million.

Let's just hope that extra $12M wasn't needed to fund vape shop raids.

 

[DC2]

It says I'm a gull. I wish I were a budgie.

I got through about 5 questions...

This survey/questionnaire/quiz thingy had the same problem as all the rest.
The answer I want is not there, and the answers that are there just don't fit me.

 

[nicnik]

One note mentioning it:

"APPROPS SUBCOMMITTEE GIVES LITTLE BOOST TO FDA — The Senate Appropriations Agriculture-FDA subcommittee approved a bill Tuesday that provides a modest lift to FDA’s discretionary budget for medical product safety: $11.9 million. The topline discretionary figure for the whole agency is $2.759 billion.

… The legislation itself won’t be released before Thursday, when the full committee marks it up. That’s when there could be fireworks around various amendments and/or riders — such as the House appropriators’ provision to undercut FDA’s oversight of e-cigarettes."



Read more: http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/politico-pulse/2016/05/house-to-vote-on-zika-package-today-214364#ixzz49DrebB1k

Senate Appropriations Approves USDA/FDA 2017 Spending Bill

Senate Appropriations Approves USDA/FDA 2017 Spending Bill
BY DTN Washington Insider | May 20, 2016

The Senate Appropriations Committee approved 30-0 the $21.25 billion Fiscal 2017 spending bill for USDA and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), a decline of $250 million compared to the 2016 enacted level. The committee began work on amendments to the bill.

 

[bigdancehawk]

I don't think the media is complicit, I'm sure they don't care one way or the other. They publish what people want to read - headlines and short articles. Most of what I've read has just been paraphrased press releases from ANTZ and quotes stolen from each other. How do you think we all ended up in the Wild West?

If we can come up with something concise and exciting they'd jump on it. Media wants advertising revenue.

I know I sound cynical, but my first job was at a newspaper and the editorial staff was always at odds with the advertising department over space. We said that without our writing no one would pick up the paper, they said that without their ads we wouldn't have a paper to write in.

ETA: I should have said what people like to watch as well.

It's too complicated an issue and the media rarely gets the science right. Transsexuals using public restrooms is much easier to report on and seemingly of greater interest to most people. For example, earlier this week, Target announced that it would be "inclusive" in it's restroom policies. Within a few days, 1.2 million people had pledged to boycott Target stores.

 

[Kent C]

Senate Appropriations Approves USDA/FDA 2017 Spending Bill

Yep. That 'more money for the FDA is my Senator Sherrod Brown ... among others...

 

[bobwho77]

Their arguments don't need to be rooted in facts or science any more. They feel they have history on their side citing regrets not to control the tobacco industry sooner than they did. And lest anyone be fooled - this a very compelling and frightening argument which has gotten us to this point now. The "precautionary principal" becomes more acceptable in light of past mistakes. (It also helps politicians careers).

How's life living in the garage now? (I think you left that part out. )

We don't HAVE a garage. I was sleeping on the back porch for about a week, but she eventually calmed down

 

[nicnik]

We don't HAVE a garage. I was sleeping on the back porch for about a week, but she eventually calmed down

By local law, I'm not allowed to vape on my back porch.

 

[Bob Chill]

I listened to the Senate vote yesterday. Not one single mention of Cole-Bishop. Interesting that Politico made the assertion that there may be fireworks. I enjoyed not hearing a peep about it. I also enjoyed hearing the amendment to require labeling on genetically engineered salmon.

 

[Kent C]

I listened to the Senate vote yesterday. Not one single mention of Cole-Bishop. Interesting that Politico made the assertion that there may be fireworks. I enjoyed not hearing a peep about it. I also enjoyed hearing the amendment to require labeling on genetically engineered salmon.

Joint committee then :- )

 

[DC2]

Pleasure, and by extension happiness, is a sin.

The Declaration of Independence is rolling over in it's grave.