Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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I still think we need to be hammering the media as well as legislators. There needs to be more in-depth reporting. If the majority of people think the Deeming is just about not selling to minors, labeling and making sure products are "safe" (which implies something different than what is actually written in the regs), how many politicians will go out on a limb where they might be accused of not wanting to protect the children or of supporting Big tobacco?
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When they perform a post-mortem on us...
They will find it was Big Media who really did us in...

Not that lots of others aren't to blame.
But yeah, Big Media.
 

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I have 4 kids with 2 in college right now. If by rich you mean bleeding copious amounts of cash like a stuck pig and driving around in a 15 year old truck with nearly 200k on the odometer then...yea, I'm loaded...lol

I live here for the public schools. Plain and simple. The second my 2 youngest graduate high school we are leaving for the country. I can't wait. I think about it all the time.
I'm not rich and I'm not poor. I own a 23 year old truck that I bought brand new. I could become a billionaire and I will not get rid of my truck. My truck and I are buddies. :)
 

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I got a snail mail response from Senator Dean Heller (R-NV). It's a canned response, but he appears to be on our side (not that I trust anyone at this point). Perhaps I will scan it later.
I wonder if Dirty Harry would even bother sending you any response since he's leaving office at the end of the year.
 
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    How does Government win when people object?

    PEOPLE LOSE INTEREST!!!

    Why is it I am the only one that has Slammed the FDA on their PUBLIC Facebook page since Early May?



    :blink:

    Guess I should start looking for Black Helicopters:unsure:

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    I have restrained myself because CASAA and others have recommended we take care with negative comments and I am not sure if I can stay diplomatic, lol. I am really not good with playing the politics game.
     

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    I'm an owl.

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    An Owlcelot? Sorry, couldn't resist.

    For the sake of staying on topic though, I'd like to address the crowd. I've read every post in this thread since it started, but said little. And what I'm going to say now is related to what I've already said in the limited number of posts I have made.

    I've seen lot's of people talk about how our political system is broken, and several comments about not being able to fix it. My opinion is that it can be fixed at least somewhat, but only if enough people start accepting the idea that candidates might have something besides an R or a D after their name. As soon as there is a 3rd party (the more the better, but for now I'll settle for a third) holding a large enough portion of the power the entire political landscape will change. In my opinion the best thing we can do is push the idea of voting Libertarian for every possible office, not because of their politics (though at least as far as regulation is concerned they would be an ally) but because they have the best chance of any party of being a real contender. If everybody who says "I'd vote for someone else if there was a chance they'd win" would actually do so, they just might win. Get enough of them in office and suddenly parties have to start finding ways to work together. Maybe it's pie in the sky thinking to believe they would start working for the people, but at the very least business as usual would have to change. And once there is a real third party, then it's easier for other parties to enter the fray.

    Sorry, got tired of seeing posts from people who seem to think R & D are the only choices.
     

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    Wisest post on this thread.
    [/END]

    When they perform a post-mortem on us...
    They will find it was Big Media who really did us in...

    Not that lots of others aren't to blame.
    But yeah, Big Media.
    Big Media, however, might be the ones writing the post-mortem, and if they haven't improved by then (and all signs point to future further deterioration), they'll just pass the blame to the others that deserve some.

    Big Media has had these kinds of problems, for a long, long time, but they've been going downhill awfully fast in recent years. Big cuts in investigative reporting sure haven't been helpful for us. Nor for the public, in general.

    I will now like your post, because I think you're right.
     

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    Since the amendment is riding on the back of a budget bill and the amendment itself has nothing to do with spending, drawing fierce opposition and or debate would seem misguided and a time waster. As this bill goes through the motions, I would assume the battles would mostly be about $$. But I'm far from an expert on DC politics and I live less than 20 miles from the Capitol. I mostly try to ignore DC. lol

    Where in lies the Problem is Budget Synchronization between House and Senate.
    Once Both Bills have Passed in their respective sectors, they must be reworked until matching in language before presentation to the President for Adoption.

    Right now, as to FDA, all we see is this from the Senate:

    *The bill would give FDA $2.76 billion in discretionary funding, an increase of $39 million over the FY 2016 enacted level, according to a committee statement. Total funding for the FDA, including revenue from industry-paid user fees, would be $4.78 billion, which would be $103 million above FY 2016. Within this total, medical product safety activities would increase by $11.9 million, and food safety activities would rise by $40.2 million, the committee said. The bill also includes language delaying implementation of rules requiring chain restaurants to provide nutritional information on menus.*

    Senate Appropriations Approves USDA/FDA 2017 Spending Bill
     
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    An Owlcelot? Sorry, couldn't resist.

    For the sake of staying on topic though, I'd like to address the crowd. I've read every post in this thread since it started, but said little. And what I'm going to say now is related to what I've already said in the limited number of posts I have made.

    I've seen lot's of people talk about how our political system is broken, and several comments about not being able to fix it. My opinion is that it can be fixed at least somewhat, but only if enough people start accepting the idea that candidates might have something besides an R or a D after their name. As soon as there is a 3rd party (the more the better, but for now I'll settle for a third) holding a large enough portion of the power the entire political landscape will change. In my opinion the best thing we can do is push the idea of voting Libertarian for every possible office, not because of their politics (though at least as far as regulation is concerned they would be an ally) but because they have the best chance of any party of being a real contender. If everybody who says "I'd vote for someone else if there was a chance they'd win" would actually do so, they just might win. Get enough of them in office and suddenly parties have to start finding ways to work together. Maybe it's pie in the sky thinking to believe they would start working for the people, but at the very least business as usual would have to change. And once there is a real third party, then it's easier for other parties to enter the fray.

    Sorry, got tired of seeing posts from people who seem to think R & D are the only choices.

    I agree with needing a 3rd party and hopefully at some point more. Then again I've voted for a 3rd party every time one has been on the ballot since I've been able to vote. People seem to dismiss them because they don't believe they will win, but they never will IC no one starts.

    The unfortunate thing is I believe it will take a long time to get a 3rd party to be big enough to make a difference, so I doubt it will help in this fight.
     

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    I probably really shouldn't have included all of that in the same post. Just to be clear, the only portion of my previous post that was actually direct at @The Ocelot was the Owlcelot comment. The rest was a more general comment to everyone.
     

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    An Owlcelot? Sorry, couldn't resist.

    For the sake of staying on topic though, I'd like to address the crowd. I've read every post in this thread since it started, but said little. And what I'm going to say now is related to what I've already said in the limited number of posts I have made.

    I've seen lot's of people talk about how our political system is broken, and several comments about not being able to fix it. My opinion is that it can be fixed at least somewhat, but only if enough people start accepting the idea that candidates might have something besides an R or a D after their name. As soon as there is a 3rd party (the more the better, but for now I'll settle for a third) holding a large enough portion of the power the entire political landscape will change. In my opinion the best thing we can do is push the idea of voting Libertarian for every possible office, not because of their politics (though at least as far as regulation is concerned they would be an ally) but because they have the best chance of any party of being a real contender. If everybody who says "I'd vote for someone else if there was a chance they'd win" would actually do so, they just might win. Get enough of them in office and suddenly parties have to start finding ways to work together. Maybe it's pie in the sky thinking to believe they would start working for the people, but at the very least business as usual would have to change. And once there is a real third party, then it's easier for other parties to enter the fray.

    Sorry, got tired of seeing posts from people who seem to think R & D are the only choices.
    Overall, I'm not a fan of the Libertarian Party, but they are far and away the most likely to support vaping, and probably the party most likely to grow their ranks in the current political climate.
     

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    I agree with needing a 3rd party and hopefully at some point more. Then again I've voted for a 3rd party every time one has been on the ballot since I've been able to vote. People seem to dismiss them because they don't believe they will win, but they never will IC no one starts.

    The unfortunate thing is I believe it will take a long time to get a 3rd party to be big enough to make a difference, so I doubt it will help in this fight.
    You are most likely right, but primarily because people dismiss the idea. This particular election could have been the best chance ever for a Libertarian president, due to the large number of people who have said they don't like "either" of the choices. But I think it would take a massive awareness campaign to convince people there is a third choice, and I don't see it happening.
     

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    I have restrained myself because CASAA and others have recommended we take care with negative comments and I am not sure if I can stay diplomatic, lol. I am really not good with playing the politics game.

    I hope I have not offended you.

    What can I say?
    I answer all Calls to Action from CASAA where legal to do so and vocally support those where I cannot.
    However, I am 62 and admittedly not in the best of health. 45yrs. Smoking and a work Accident 2yrs. ago have not done my future any good.
    I Feel I have a limited time to make up for a Lifetime of Not acting, letting it go and blindly saying - that doesn't effect my life.

    I ask not that others do as I do. Only that they consider what course they take and how that may effect their lives.

    I do not challenge the right of others to life as they believe acceptable. I simply Challenge their right to Dictate my choices.

    :)
     

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    This particular election could have been the best chance ever for a Libertarian president, due to the large number of people who have said they don't like "either" of the choices.

    Actually, in the current election there has been a rejection of both major parties - Trump's populism and Bernie's socialism. Both party establishments haven't been pleased with this, although some Republicans are coming around.....

    No intent of 'arguing' the issue - just pointing it out.
     

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    Their arguments don't need to be rooted in facts or science any more. They feel they have history on their side citing regrets not to control the tobacco industry sooner than they did. And lest anyone be fooled - this a very compelling and frightening argument which has gotten us to this point now. The "precautionary principal" becomes more acceptable in light of past mistakes. (It also helps politicians careers).
    Very astute observation.
    I've never really heard anyone put it that way before.

    Not that it makes me happy.
    But yeah, very astute.
    :(
     

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