Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Bronze]

I agree with needing a 3rd party and hopefully at some point more. Then again I've voted for a 3rd party every time one has been on the ballot since I've been able to vote. People seem to dismiss them because they don't believe they will win, but they never will IC no one starts.

The unfortunate thing is I believe it will take a long time to get a 3rd party to be big enough to make a difference, so I doubt it will help in this fight.

Third party = Three Corrupt Parties

You're going in the wrong direction. Let's try NO parties.

“However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”

― George Washington

Translation: Politicians will have more allegiance to their party above the people. Sound familiar?

 

[Sir Kadly]

Third party = Three Corrupt Parties

You're going in the wrong direction. Let's try NO parties.

“However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”

― George Washington

I'd wholeheartedly agree, but I think that is a pipe dream at this point. The party system is too ingrained to change it without completely starting from scratch, and even then I'm not convinced it wouldn't reappear almost immediately.

 

[Bronze]

I'd wholeheartedly agree, but I think that is a pipe dream at this point. The party system is too ingrained to change it without completely starting from scratch, and even then I'm not convinced it wouldn't reappear almost immediately.

You'd probably be right. But I don't want to exacerbate the problem by adding any more parties than we already are stuck with.

 

[nicnik]

Third party = Three Corrupt Parties

You're going in the wrong direction. Let's try NO parties.

“However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”

― George Washington

Translation: Politicians will have more allegiance to their party above the people. Sound familiar?

Hmmm...sounds wise, to me.

Thanks again for all you've done, George.

 

[frizzy_tyger]

Third party = Three Corrupt Parties

You're going in the wrong direction. Let's try NO parties.

“However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”

― George Washington

Translation: Politicians will have more allegiance to their party above the people. Sound familiar?

You'd probably be right. But I don't want to exacerbate the problem by adding any more parties than we already are stuck with.

I do think you are right with no parties being ideal but I don't see it ever actually happening. Though the way I see it the more parties there are the less damage an one party can do since it would be much harder for any one party to have a majority of there were more parties out there.

I never said the 3rd parties were all the same when I've voted them, and I would vote for a republican or democrat if I found one I thought was better than the third, but that hasn't happened yet. That's not to say it won't just hasn't yet.

 

[rosesense]

I hope I have not offended you.

What can I say?
I answer all Calls to Action from CASAA where legal to do so and vocally support those where I cannot.
However, I am 62 and admittedly not in the best of health. 45yrs. Smoking and a work Accident 2yrs. ago have not done my future any good.
I Feel I have a limited time to make up for a Lifetime of Not acting, letting it go and blindly saying - that doesn't effect my life.

I ask not that others do as I do. Only that they consider what course they take and how that may effect their lives.

I do not challenge the right of others to life as they believe acceptable. I simply Challenge their right to Dictate my choices.

No offense here, I agree with you and we are similar age. I was only speaking for myself as to why I haven't made more comments at sites like the FDA. In fact, it is a good thing my computer crashed before I hit send with a msg to Cantwell. It wasn't pretty.

 

[coldgin96]

Yeah, I don't live there and really should have kept my opinion to myself. Sorry.

Why? I don't live in California and I rant and rave about that state all the time. I don't know much about the State of New York so I don't have a opinion about it but you couldn't pay me to go to NYC. Let's see, can't carry a pistol, can't vape in public... nope, ain't going there. Hell, I'm told I would get in trouble for wearing my knife that I wear on my belt. What's up with THAT? When I was out in Cali in '05, someone told me I shouldn't be wearing my knife (folding lock blade, BIG DEAL!) because I could get in trouble. I responded, "Oh, I'm sorry, I thought I was in America..."

 

[coldgin96]

It's like Johnson Creek (one of the early e-liquid pioneers) calling their products "smoke juice". They still call it smoke juice.

You know, thanks for reminding me. I'm going to email them and tell them (no, not ask, tell them) they need to quit calling it smoke juice.

 

[Bronze]

You know, thanks for reminding me. I'm going to email them and tell them (no, not ask, tell them) they need to quit calling it smoke juice.

Let me know what they say.

 

[coldgin96]

An Owlcelot? Sorry, couldn't resist.

For the sake of staying on topic though, I'd like to address the crowd. I've read every post in this thread since it started, but said little. And what I'm going to say now is related to what I've already said in the limited number of posts I have made.

I've seen lot's of people talk about how our political system is broken, and several comments about not being able to fix it. My opinion is that it can be fixed at least somewhat, but only if enough people start accepting the idea that candidates might have something besides an R or a D after their name. As soon as there is a 3rd party (the more the better, but for now I'll settle for a third) holding a large enough portion of the power the entire political landscape will change. In my opinion the best thing we can do is push the idea of voting Libertarian for every possible office, not because of their politics (though at least as far as regulation is concerned they would be an ally) but because they have the best chance of any party of being a real contender. If everybody who says "I'd vote for someone else if there was a chance they'd win" would actually do so, they just might win. Get enough of them in office and suddenly parties have to start finding ways to work together. Maybe it's pie in the sky thinking to believe they would start working for the people, but at the very least business as usual would have to change. And once there is a real third party, then it's easier for other parties to enter the fray.

Sorry, got tired of seeing posts from people who seem to think R & D are the only choices.

Look, typically I would agree with you. I was a actual paying, card carrying member of the Libertarian Party for over 20 years. But RIGHT NOW, I am a single issue voter and you know what that means, unfortunately. Sorry...

 

[coldgin96]

Let me know what they say.

Ok, sure. Remind me. I'm going to go do it right now. I won't get a response until Monday as they take weekends off. Good for them.

 

[crxess]

No offense here, I agree with you and we are similar age. I was only speaking for myself as to why I haven't made more comments at sites like the FDA. In fact, it is a good thing my computer crashed before I hit send with a msg to Cantwell. It wasn't pretty.

 

[crxess]

Look, typically I would agree with you. I was a actual paying, card carrying member of the Libertarian Party for over 20 years. But RIGHT NOW, I am a single issue voter and you know what that means, unfortunately. Sorry...

Guess I have been a sort of single issue Voter all my life. I have NEVER Voted Party, but on my judgement of what a given representative has to offer the people.
Often a failed choice

 

[coldgin96]

Let me know what they say.

Here's my note, I'll copy/paste. As you might ascertain, I write them a lot. They are actually good people. I wrote them a snide letter last week about Mr. Berkey's support for the FDA's announcement on future reg's two years ago which wasn't fair because about a year ago, he wrote a letter of apology for that and letting a tobacco company buy 49% of their company which I think they bought back. I had a couple of personal emails back and forth with him which he again said he was wrong and apologized. I told him it took a real man to admit his mistakes. Plus, I really like their juice.
Anyway, here's the note:

Hello, it's me again!

Hey, you guys need to quit calling your e-juice, "Smoke" Juice. Seriously. It came up on ECF and not by me. It's not helping our cause one bit!

Thank you once again for reading my email,

Guster

 

[The Ocelot]

This single issue idea is making my head spin. I'm going to have to think long and hard about whether I could support a legislator who is pro-vaping, but against other things I believe in.

Dean Heller on the Issues

This really bothers me:

Rated 100% by the AU, indicating opposition to separation of church & state.

Dean Heller on Principles & Values

 

[Bronze]

Here's my note, I'll copy/paste. As you might ascertain, I write them a lot. They are actually good people. I wrote them a snide letter last week about Mr. Berkey's support for the FDA's announcement on future reg's two years ago which wasn't fair because about a year ago, he wrote a letter of apology for that and letting a tobacco company buy 49% of their company which I think they bought back. I had a couple of personal emails back and forth with him which he again said he was wrong and apologized. I told him it took a real man to admit his mistakes. Plus, I really like their juice.
Anyway, here's the note:

Hello, it's me again!

Hey, you guys need to quit calling your e-juice, "Smoke" Juice. Seriously. It came up on ECF and not by me. It's not helping our cause one bit!

Thank you once again for reading my email,

Guster

I was a JC customer for about a half year when I first started vaping. I wrote them a few times and they really were good people. Good about getting back to their customers. Let us know what their response is (we'll send it to our product marketing team).

 

[crxess]

Rated 100% by the AU, indicating opposition to separation of church & state.

Only concern should be on actual Constitutionality of action.....

I have the right to believe you can believe what you want.......and so can I

 

[The Ocelot]

Only concern should be on actual Constitutionality of action.....

I have the right to believe you can believe what you want.......and so can I

The Constitution is the bottom line, but it seems like some candidates are dancing close to the edge.

 

[bobwho77]

By local law, I'm not allowed to vape on my back porch.

Won't be long, and by federal law we won't have anything to vape WITH unless we can do something about it

 

[Katya]

eta:
"If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty."

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men should do nothing.”