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Intended use. If you advertise your flavor as being diacetyl-free then the FDA could consider it a tobacco product. There is no other reason to advertise it that way since diacetyl is only a concern with respect to inhalation. In other words, for vaping. Now if you were to sell it to manufacturers only I'm not sure how that would play out. But selling it directly to consumers would very possibly put you right in the tobacco product manufacturer category according to the FDA.

O.... K....

I'm not sure Intended Use could be Taken that Far? But then Who Knows. Never thought the FDA would completely Blow Off the UK Health Ministries Data.

So Stranger things have Happened.
 
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I know. I just don't see how anyone smaller than BT could possible afford to submit for every flavor and every strength, not to mention not being able to meet the infinite possible use testing requirements. And you know BT isn't going to try to do anything that helps the consumer.
BT has absolutely zero incentive to develop an e-liquid that exists outside of their cartridges.
 

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Well, they did come out with "lights" and "low tar" cigarettes, even heat not burn. However, since consumers just compensated by either modifying the products, or smoking more, or not using them the FDA decided they were just cheap tricks. Enter the FSPTCA.

Great. Now scotch tape is a tobacco product.
 

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Why hasn't BT come up with "cigarettes, or cigarettelike products, that were less lethal" yet? They've had lots of time to do so. I wonder how much time and money it cost to develop Camel Crush?
It looks like they did. Google heat-not-burn cigarettes. Apparently they didn't market them in the US.

What I want to know is, what's to stop Big Tobacco from adding to e-liquid the same toxic chemicals they add to tobacco cigarettes to make them addictive? When I switched from tobacco cigarettes to vaping, I did experience some mild withdrawal for 2-3 weeks. I had read that was possible, so I was prepared. My understanding was that the withdrawals were from the toxic chemicals in tobacco cigarettes. Without those to deal with, vapers apparently find it much easier to wean off the nicotine.

Could BT see an end to that?
 

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Google is your friend, Woofer.
I knew I'd tick off some Canadian..LOL. Do your own homework, man.
Believe me, I'd prefer that canola oil (Can-a-da Oil) not be harmful
'cause it's less expensive. & I understand Canada needs an industry.
But it's very bad for you, personal experience and I'm not easily
impressed or suggestible.
Start at Mercola..Google
I'm not gonna use it.
Peanut and olive oils are just fine with me.

I am not ticked off and Google is my friend. My friend Google doesn't offer any credible evidence and I am not considering statement from Mercola, a peddler of supplements and other snake oil as a credible source. :)
 

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Thank you. My dogs now think I'm crazy for how much I laughed at that. :lol:

He also used to go up and down the street stealing shoes off my neighbors porches. He would put them in a pile on my driveway. I live on a short cul-de-sac in a rural suburb, so he wasn't in danger. I have no clue why he did that.
 

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I am not ticked off and Google is my friend. My friend Google doesn't offer any credible evidence and I am not considering statement from Mercola, a peddler of supplements and other snake oil as a credible source. :)
Ok.
Sometime when I have some spare time I'll try to provide
you with some credible studies documenting the nasty effects of rape oil consumption.
But that must be some other time
'cause right now I have to go stream a Turkish soap opera
for the lady who asked me why Canola oil wasn't restricted by the FDA
while the partially hydrogenated veggie oil that those potato chips in the posted link are made with are.

In fact, I might let you two argue about it if you prefer.
I cook with butter or olive oil mostly so I don't really care..Ya know?
You speak Spanish? :lol:

Turkish soap time..
later
 

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these guys might ... their pockets are really deep :blink:

it might be one of the only juice lines left standing ... and their cigalikes should pass no problem :smokie:

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Hope they're not Planning on selling those in New Jersey?

Cause if things go the way they Look like they are going, they might be SOL.

BTW - Can a Glass Container or any container with a Eye Dropper Bulb on it be considered CRP?
 
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these guys might ... their pockets are really deep :blink:

it might be one of the only juice lines left standing ... and their cigalikes should pass no problem :smokie:

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If anyone does, I imagine it would be them. However, the only thing in my twitter feed lately from njoy has been about the dailies and their rechargeables. I want them to step up to the plate, but I'm not holding my breath.
 

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I am not ticked off and Google is my friend. My friend Google doesn't offer any credible evidence and I am not considering statement from Mercola, a peddler of supplements and other snake oil as a credible source. :)

I'd advise against consuming unprocessed Rape Seed oil. Instead of googling Canola try Rape Seed Oil.
 

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I seriously question the sanity of anyone planning to submit a PMTA for an e-liquid.
Filing pretty much guarantees an e-liquid company an extra year in business. And it's a year when there will probably be a lot fewer competitors.
 

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O.... K....

I'm not sure Intended Use could be Taken that Far? But then Who Knows. Never thought the FDA would completely Blow Off the UK Health Ministries Data.

So Stranger things have Happened.
Yeah, like we never thought a battery could be considered a tobacco product. Or a drip tip. Or all the other hardware.
Great. Now scotch tape is a tobacco product.
HAHAHAHA I remember that one.
 

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Well, they did come out with "lights" and "low tar" cigarettes, even heat not burn. However, since consumers just compensated by either modifying the products, or smoking more, or not using them the FDA decided they were just cheap tricks. Enter the FSPTCA.
Some consumers (myself included) actually preferred "light" cigarettes pretty much the whole time (3-1/2 decades) we were smoking.
 

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If anyone does, I imagine it would be them. However, the only thing in my twitter feed lately from njoy has been about the dailies and their rechargeables. I want them to step up to the plate, but I'm not holding my breath.

I think NJOY will get their juice line submitted ... only because of how much money they have.

there won't be many juice companies left to compete for the millions of hardware still out there.
 

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I kinda Applaud FA for what they say they want to do.

But on the Other side I kinda SMH. Why would I, as a Flavoring Company, want to put my Head into the Legal Lion's Mouth and set myself up for the Coming Tsunami of Flavoring Personal Injury Lawsuits?
FA is based in Italy. That makes them a much harder target for such lawsuits filed in the US, and in the EU, the courts are not very friendly toward such nonsense in the first place.

FA has also been doing due diligence regarding the inhalation safety of its flavors for several years now. I respect them for that, and don't use much of anything else anymore.

I think FA is trying to position themselves as the go-to flavorings house for e-liquid manufacturers who want to survive above-board in a regulated environment.

Whether this is actually a good business strategy remains to be seen.
 

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