Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[The Ocelot]

Well, they did come out with "lights" and "low tar" cigarettes, even heat not burn. However, since consumers just compensated by either modifying the products, or smoking more, or not using them the FDA decided they were just cheap tricks. Enter the FSPTCA.

I think "low tar" was taken off the market years ago and "lights" currently refer to light as opposed to full flavor.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Wired, the Turkish soap is finished and it's all written down for my bud, @Woofer
but I'm hesitant to post it here due to it being off topic sort of
and the possibility somebody may interpret my expose as an affront to Canada.

What I've found says the FDA didn't wanna approve it for sale in the US
until lots of money changed hands and the FDA
doesn't let it be in baby formula...

I'm thinking of messaging @Woofer with a paste
or posting this on the outside.

Bad stuff.

Thanks, just threw out my bottle.
Thankfully I have never used much of it.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

It looks like they did. Google heat-not-burn cigarettes. Apparently they didn't market them in the US.

They (Premier was the forerunner) were test marketed in major cities back in '88. A friend and I drove to St Louis and bought a carton of them. They were awful is the reason they didn't go any further than test marketing. Had a small charcoal like pellet that heated the tobacco and charcoal is what they tasted like and they had no throat hit.

 

[HazyShades]

Thanks, just threw out my bottle.
Thankfully I have never used much of it.

You're welcome. I was at BJ's the other day and a bag of chips got my attention.
I'd just made hummus and wanted chip to dip.
Walked up splattered across the front of the bag :MADE WITH CANOLA
for which I was grateful but wondered why they think it's a good thing.

 

[SeniorBoy]

Found it Boys and girls. Shaun starts around 58 minutes. Enjoy! Please remember this is the North American President of FlavorArt speaking. aka "bro"

 

[Lessifer]

FA sells ejuice ready to vape in the EU market. Example

PB did a couple of factory tour videos and they are very impressive. I will try and find the link but bro Shaun who is the North American President of FA indicated they were going to get PMTAs. Since they are perhaps the worlds largest vaping flavor shop, this makes sense until I find the interview. They have always been the gold standard with outstanding transparency ala clearstream and even the ability to communicate with them directly by a mear mortal DIY geek.

Here's hoping. Reading the regs, I'm just not optimistic about an e-liquid, any e-liquid, being approved, on its own.

 

[Yiana]

I think "low tar" was taken off the market years ago and "lights" currently refer to light as opposed to full flavor.

I thought they banned the usage of the word lights. You just have to go by the color on the package.

 

[Lessifer]

Found it Boys and girls. Shaun starts around 58 minutes. Enjoy! Please remember this is the North American President of FlavorArt speaking. aka "bro"

Yeah, that's the interview I listened to before. I hope he's right, but I get the impression he doesn't think the flavors will have to go through the full PMTA, just toxicity testing. I don't know. The impression I get is that any component, if sold directly to consumers, will require PMTA. Maybe I misunderstood something.

 

[Lessifer]

I think "low tar" was taken off the market years ago and "lights" currently refer to light as opposed to full flavor.

I thought they banned the usage of the word lights. You just have to go by the color on the package.

Light and low tar were both removed from packaging in 2010. The same cigarettes are still available though, just with different colors like Yiana said. The smoke from Marlboro ultralights/silvers is definitely less dense than that from reds.

 

[Vandal]

You're welcome. I was at BJ's the other day and a bag of chips got my attention.
I'd just made hummus and wanted chip to dip.
Walked up splattered across the front of the bag :MADE WITH CANOLA
for which I was grateful but wondered why they think it's a good thing.

It shouldn't come as a big surprise to you by now that the public has been duped into believing Canola oil is healthy when quite the opposite is true. Aggressive marketing campaigns, money changing hands (to the FDA's benefit of course), misinformation, disinformation, etc. All the things that have been discussed in this forum.

This article is pretty typical of what I've found if you want a brief rundown. For real kicks, google for a detailed description of how this oil is processed. It's sickening.

https:// thetruthaboutcancer. com/canola-oil/

Why Canola Oil is Not the Healthy Oil You've Been Led to Believe | The Truth About Cancer[/URL]

 

[HazyShades]

Light and low tar were both removed from packaging in 2010. The same cigarettes are still available though, just with different colors like Yiana said. The smoke from Marlboro ultralights/silvers is definitely less dense than that from reds.

The Blacks almost got me hooked again, a bit like Captain Black pipe Tobacco
and thick smoke

 

[HazyShades]

It shouldn't come as a big surprise to you by now that the public has been duped into believing Canola oil is healthy when quite the opposite is true. Aggressive marketing campaigns, money changing hands (to the FDA's benefit of course), misinformation, disinformation, etc. All the things that have been discussed in this forum.

This article is pretty typical of what I've found if you want a brief rundown. For real kicks, google for a detailed description of how this oil is processed. It's sickening.

https:// thetruthaboutcancer. com/canola-oil/

Why Canola Oil is Not the Healthy Oil You've Been Led to Believe | The Truth About Cancer

Yo Vandal, preaching to the choir.
Get @Woofer to read it. Like I said b4, my reply to Woofer is written
and all the terrible things you mentioned are fairly documented.
It does not come as any type of surprise to me and is in fact one of the reasons
this FDA deeming angers me greatly.
I probably owe my life to vaping AND alternative medicine.
I've read a lot about the ill effects of aspartame, acesulfame,
sucralose, rapeseed oil, all those nasties
that have been documented to be terrible for humans yet the FDA
cuts them slack.
I ran my mouth about chemtrails earlier. Those are causing a COPD
epidemic. Aluminum particles aren't supposed to be in the air
but they worry about me inhaling nicotine vapor.

Vaccines known to contain mercury are FDA approved
and mandatory. Cocacola..melts the enamel off teeth, makes pennies shiny
softens eggshells and bones, contains sugar and caffeine, found all over the world
and targeted to children with ads splattered all over Disney world.
But they wanna control food flavoring..'cause little kids like candy.
Aspartame or acesulfame are in most low calorie foods but I recall an article in 'Psychology Today' about a study on the behavioral effect of aspartame
that confirmed the effects I began suffering a few months after starting to eat
diet yogurt regularly. According to the study it makes one hostile and primate like. The social graces take a back seat to the lower animal self.
Yea I know..now I'm preaching to the choir.
The problem like you mentioned is that the system is corrupt and for sale.
Whoever spends the most on lobbying and propaganda gets favored.

 

[SeniorBoy]

I think their is some push and pull when you sit down with the FDA. Their is a very interesting call in question around 1 hour and bro gets down into the weeds big time and the caller is very knowledgeable. Like testing for say Strawberry at the molecular level. HA! Not to mention our close friends at the FDA don't even know exactly what testing for flavors will be required. Maybe they do but prefer to keep it a secret. /lol Witness bro called the FDA on 5/5, they gave him a case number and never called him back! That's FA, perhaps the worlds largest vaping flavor house in the world. Seriously!

I seriously doubt and that's DOUBT that most of the other flavor manufact will even try but I could be wrong. As "bro" points out, vaping flavors (inhalation) are small potatoes compared to food flavoring for many if not all of them. Just IMHO.

Edited for clarity and punch!

 

[nicnik]

Suppose the many vendors/manufacturers who don't have the ability or desire to ever submit "proper" PMTAs sent in a large number of <ahem> decoy PMTAs even if they were written with crayon on toilet paper?
Yeah that would be fun, but probably would hold up the approval of legitimate submissions. As if.

Zeller said they'd be weeding out the weak applications intended to earn extra year. And I think any that are rejected must be removed from the market, immediately. So a plan like that, would seriously backfire for all involved, and for their customers.

 

[The Ocelot]

I thought they banned the usage of the word lights. You just have to go by the color on the package.

I guess I just didn't notice. If I asked for "light" the clerk would give me the right ones.

 

[nicnik]

D or R ? Who cares?
Where is there anyone on either side of the aisle indicating a personal stake in
the issue? Where is the rep saying I smoked all my life and vaping works?
Where is the rep saying I never smoked but this is working for some one I
know? Where is the rep saying some one i know and loved all my life has taken
this opportunity to make a positive change?

Very few, but there have been some, even Democrats, on a local level, and even State level.

 

[crxess]

Here's hoping. Reading the regs, I'm just not optimistic about an e-liquid, any e-liquid, being approved, on its own.

Have you filtered through this?
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AboutFDA/ReportsManualsForms/Reports/EconomicAnalyses/UCM500254.pdf

Q&A on their reasoning for Regulation

Seems from Constant References, Mid session, they figure - Abstinence it the only acceptably way to Quit.......................Here, have a chantix

and THIS:

Specifically, we forecasted that 20 to 80 premarket tobacco applications would be submitted within the first 24 months and 10 to 20 annually thereafter.

we're done

well, not all of us

 

[salemgold]

Light and low tar were both removed from packaging in 2010. The same cigarettes are still available though, just with different colors like Yiana said. The smoke from Marlboro ultralights/silvers is definitely less dense than that from reds.

Yep, note my forum name. They had just changed from light to gold.

 

[Lessifer]

I think their is some push and pull when you sit down with the FDA. Their is a very interesting call in question around 1 hour and bro gets down into the weeds big time and the caller is very knowledgeable. Like testing for say Strawberry at the molecular level. HA! Not to mention our close friends at the FDA don't even know exactly what testing for flavors will be required. Maybe they do but prefer to keep it a secret. /lol Witness bro called the FDA on 5/5, they gave him a case number and never called him back! That's FA, perhaps the worlds largest vaping flavor house in the world. Seriously!

I seriously doubt and that's DOUBT that most of the other flavor manufact will even try but I could be wrong. As "bro" points out, vaping flavors (inhalation) are small potatoes compared to food flavoring for many if not all of them. Just IMHO.

Edited for clarity and punch!

If it were just down to toxicity, I think they'd be primed and ready to go. Too bad the bar is set, well, who really knows where the bar is set?

 

[Woofer]

It shouldn't come as a big surprise to you by now that the public has been duped into believing Canola oil is healthy when quite the opposite is true. Aggressive marketing campaigns, money changing hands (to the FDA's benefit of course), misinformation, disinformation, etc. All the things that have been discussed in this forum.

This article is pretty typical of what I've found if you want a brief rundown. For real kicks, google for a detailed description of how this oil is processed. It's sickening.

https:// thetruthaboutcancer. com/canola-oil/

Why Canola Oil is Not the Healthy Oil You've Been Led to Believe | The Truth About Cancer

I agree this article is pretty typical of what I have found too and it is full of errors and pop drivel.
I shall await Roxanne McDonald, Body Mind Institute certified nutrition and raw food expert, latest pearls of wisdom with zero anticipation.

Roxanne’s newly published book: The Real Skinny on Gluten-Free Living: 8 Simple Steps to Break up with Gluten


Sorry folks for the wander this my last post on the subject in this thread.