Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[bnrkwest]

What is funny to me is that BP is fighting a loosing battle and throwing billions of dollars at it does not change the fact that their products don't work as well as vaping to get off of cigarettes. Chewing gum does not mimick smoking or give a smoker any of the habitual routine of smoking. They think it is all about Nic but it goes way beyond that. How dumb are they? LOL

 

[bigdancehawk]

What is funny to me is that BP is fighting a loosing battle and throwing billions of dollars at it does not change the fact that their products don't work as well as vaping to get off of cigarettes. Chewing gum does not mimick smoking or give a smoker any of the habitual routine of smoking. They think it is all about Nic but it goes way beyond that. How dumb are they? LOL

They don't care as long as people buy them. Besides, they must work--the FDA has approved them as safe and effective.

 

[bnrkwest]

They don't care as long as people buy them. Besides, they must work--the FDA has approved them as safe and effective.

Yeah that FDA approval really makes it so

 

[cats5365]

What is funny to me is that BP is fighting a loosing battle and throwing billions of dollars at it does not change the fact that their products don't work as well as vaping to get off of cigarettes. Chewing gum does not mimick smoking or give a smoker any of the habitual routine of smoking. They think it is all about Nic but it goes way beyond that. How dumb are they? LOL

The NRT works because FDA has DEEMED it so.

:insert little puking emoji here:

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

Ok, I kinda apologize but this was too good.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[Bronze]

Maybe we all need to start writing letters to this guy?
Centers for Disease Control Tom Frieden dismisses helping Americans switch with e-cigs

Dr. Frieden is making a conscious choice to keep Americans uninformed about the benefits of e-cigarettes, and that irrational decision will keep people smoking. Real smoking rates will more than likely level off now that the regulations set by the Food and Drug Administration are about to go into place. Then, once e-cigarettes are classified as "tobacco," tobacco "use" in America will skyrocket by design.

If the phone lines are down in Washington, could someone turn them back on before it's too late? It's that important.

The CDC also reports to the Secretary of DHHS (along with the FDA). Just more reason why we need a new administration to go in there and clean them out.

 

[zoiDman]

A reprieve, of sorts, of my earlier comments re: BT and their role - but only one tobacco company - the biggest! lol

"While it (2009 FSPTCA) was opposed at the time by tobacco giants RJ Reynolds and Lorillard, it was publicly supported by Altria, the parent of Philip Morris, America’s largest tobacco company—“to build a constructive working relationship” with the FDA, said an Altria spokesman, Brian May.

"May of Altria did not confirm such secret talks but said, regarding the 2009 legislation, “there was a variety of stakeholders from public health, tobacco control and manufacturers who gave input.”"

@Coldrake @nicnik @zoiDman

Here is a "Captain Obvious" quote from Western University law professor Jonathan H. Adler...

May acknowledged that Altria “did support FDA extension of authority over e-cigarettes and other tobacco products.” With products such as Altria’s e-cigarette MarkTen, he said, “our goal is to be a leader in vaping space.”

“In terms of what they’re trying to do, (tobacco companies) want to limit competition and encourage the cartelization of their markets,” Adler, the author of the “Baptists, Bootleggers” article, wrote in an email. “They want regulation of e-cigarettes because it lessens the competitive threat to traditional cigarettes and because it makes the remaining e-cigarette market something that’s easier for them to dominate.”

Hot Air: Democrats Work With Big Tobacco and Big Pharma to Choke the Vaping Industry

 

[zoiDman]

What is funny to me is that BP is fighting a loosing battle and throwing billions of dollars at it does not change the fact that their products don't work as well as vaping to get off of cigarettes. Chewing gum does not mimick smoking or give a smoker any of the habitual routine of smoking. They think it is all about Nic but it goes way beyond that. How dumb are they? LOL

For a Smoking Cessation product, is winning defined as Quitting Smoking? Or is winning defined as making Profits off selling products that are supposed to help you Quit Smoking?

Guess it depends on if you are the Person trying to Quit. Or the person Trying to make Money off the one who is Trying to Quit.

 

[Lessifer]

According to the article, the smoking cessation drug market is funneling money into the fight against ecigs.

What is funny to me is that BP is fighting a loosing battle and throwing billions of dollars at it does not change the fact that their products don't work as well as vaping to get off of cigarettes. Chewing gum does not mimick smoking or give a smoker any of the habitual routine of smoking. They think it is all about Nic but it goes way beyond that. How dumb are they? LOL

They don't care as long as people buy them. Besides, they must work--the FDA has approved them as safe and effective.

There's a much darker side to all of this, and it doesn't get mentioned much, because it sounds a bit too conspiracy theory-ish. The pharma companies already recouped their R&D expenditures on NRT, there are already generics on the market, that's not where the real money is and never has been. Treating all of those smoking related illnesses, that's where the big money is.

 

[satchvai]

There's a much darker side to all of this, and it doesn't get mentioned much, because it sounds a bit too conspiracy theory-ish. The pharma companies already recouped their R&D expenditures on NRT, there are already generics on the market, that's not where the real money is and never has been. Treating all of those smoking related illnesses, that's where the big money is.

Exactly!

 

[crxess]

Well he could do that but it wouldn't help financially.
We don't get paid.
We don't get special kudos or handouts or special treatment from suppliers.
We use the same discount codes everyone else uses and shop for the best prices just like everyone else.
Heck, we don't even get to enter the ECF Contests - they are for the members to enjoy, not staff.

This gives me a Sad.
While Moderating the Nascar forums I was at least privileged enough to pick from several new game titles, a Dozen, each year, from Vivendi Games. We even received free lifetime accounts to Steam for online play.

I accepted my position to help support and preserve the enjoyment of others, but the perks which we received (later on) were appreciated recognition for our time and effort.

 

[Kent C]

If it hadn't been for Jefferson we wouldn't have a Bill of Rights.

He was instrumental in flipping Madison - but only on a practical basis that the Constitution wouldn't have been ratified without the promise of a Bill of Rights. Madison believed in only listing some, other rights would be trampled. He may have been right :- )

 

[Kent C]

Here is a "Captain Obvious" quote from Western University law professor Jonathan H. Adler...

May acknowledged that Altria “did support FDA extension of authority over e-cigarettes and other tobacco products.” With products such as Altria’s e-cigarette MarkTen, he said, “our goal is to be a leader in vaping space.”

“In terms of what they’re trying to do, (tobacco companies) want to limit competition and encourage the cartelization of their markets,” Adler, the author of the “Baptists, Bootleggers” article, wrote in an email. “They want regulation of e-cigarettes because it lessens the competitive threat to traditional cigarettes and because it makes the remaining e-cigarette market something that’s easier for them to dominate.”

Hot Air: Democrats Work With Big Tobacco and Big Pharma to Choke the Vaping Industry

That they wanted regulation of ecigarettes with the deeming, is unquestioned. Except now they support Cole/Bishop..... That Altria's participation/contribution/input into 2009 FSPTCA was my point - something that others had rejected out of hand.

 

[Bronze]

He was instrumental in flipping Madison - but only on a practical basis that the Constitution wouldn't have been ratified without the promise of a Bill of Rights. Madison believed in only listing some, other rights would be trampled. He may have been right :- )

This is how I understood it as well.

 

[Lessifer]

That they wanted regulation of ecigarettes with the deeming, is unquestioned. Except now they support Cole/Bishop..... That Altria's participation/contribution/input into 2009 FSPTCA was my point - something that others had rejected out of hand.

FSPTCA was a pretty sweet deal. We're going to regulate the industry, we're going to put in some pretty strict rules for new products, and we'll be removing some products that the majority of people don't use anyway. BUT we're going to let you keep selling what you've currently got on the market. So, you can continue making money hand over fist, and we'll get our share, and you'll be off the hook for sinking any money into developing new products. Sounds good to me.

 

[Kent C]

They don't care as long as people buy them. Besides, they must work--the FDA has approved them as safe and effective.

It's a bit like cigalikes at gas stations. For people looking to stop smoking - many of us here (but not me) Nicorette and patches were 'attempts' - easily available like cigalikes but not that effective. The thing with cigalikes - there's vapor!! and that sometimes leads to looking for more vapor :- )

 

[HazyShades]

There's a much darker side to all of this

...which goes far beyond vaping
and the sooner everybody realizes this
the better off we'll all be..and the sooner US will once again be a bastion of liberty.

 

[zoiDman]

That they wanted regulation of ecigarettes with the deeming, is unquestioned. Except now they support Cole/Bishop..... That Altria's participation/contribution/input into 2009 FSPTCA was my point - something that others had rejected out of hand.

In your Opinion.

Does BT support of the Ag Amendment or HR2058 (or any Positive e-Cigarette Legislation) help or hurt the Passage of these Bills?

 

[Kent C]

FSPTCA was a pretty sweet deal. We're going to regulate the industry, we're going to put in some pretty strict rules for new products, and we'll be removing some products that the majority of people don't use anyway. BUT we're going to let you keep selling what you've currently got on the market. So, you can continue making money hand over fist, and we'll get our share, and you'll be off the hook for sinking any money into developing new products. Sounds good to me.

Exactly, although RJR and others fought it, Altria appeared to help.

 

[Kent C]

In your Opinion.

Does BT support of the Ag Amendment or HR2058 (or any Positive e-Cigarette Legislation) help or hurt the Passage of these Bills?

Not just my opinion - see the Dimitris video where he states just that and the Siegel video me and others have posted in this thread - likely where Dimitris got his data. As far as help or hurt, depends on where their contributions may go now. Some Dems may have second thoughts.