Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Yes they are regulating behavior...
I for one have not noticed many vapers here talking about routinely buying 0mg flavored juice and adding nic concentrate. Most people seem to be all DIY or none and most of those that don't DIY are scared of nic concentrate.Are you talking about shops adding it for them?
And am I talking about customers adding it themselves?
I may be getting confused here.
So I just want to get us back on the same page.
I do see people recommending to mix 0mg and some higher nic concentrate to do in home tweaking of nic levels. Not sure how many actually take that advice because it's probably a scary idea for many.
That is the way it should be. Since the nic is the ONLY tobacco product here.
Like alcohol. The govt isn't regulating mixers based on what someone might add to it. 0mg juice is just a mixer and should be treated accordingly
I agree, now we just need to get the FDA, Congress, and the Judicial system to see it that way. Or, preferably, that nicotine <> tobacco.
Another point... As far as I know FDA is not authorized to regulate anything and everything that might be inhaled.
Valid point, although I'm hard pressed to come up with a consumer product that you inhale regularly that is not under their regulation one way or the other.
Again, I think it can and should be challenged, it just hasn't been yet.
Interesting read from today's In the News July 26th posted by @Jessica99
Chris Price's answer to When will vaping have an impact on tobacco-related health statistics? In 5 years or in 50 years? - Quora
Chris Price's answer to When will vaping have an impact on tobacco-related health statistics? In 5 years or in 50 years? - Quora
I know this is old news now but I have to say that this is just so Banana Republic, pulling a grandfather provision a week away from the effective date, leaving vape shops and makers with untold amounts of now unsaleable goods. There is no limit to the corruption in our govt. if I owned a flag I would burn it today in public. Yea I'm a bit pi$$ed to say the least
Good piece written, love this
"If the FDA’s main concern is public health, it desperately needs to learn the difference between smoking and vaping — and the difference between tobacco and eggplants."
The FDA Can’t Distinguish between Eggplants and Tobacco
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"If the FDA’s main concern is public health, it desperately needs to learn the difference between smoking and vaping — and the difference between tobacco and eggplants."
The FDA Can’t Distinguish between Eggplants and Tobacco
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Thanks for posting. Another pro-vape article from National Review.
"If Congress wanted the FDA to have control of all products that contain nicotine, it would have spelled that out in law. Instead, Congress limited the purview of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act to tobacco and smoking. Simply put, Congress did not grant the FDA the power to regulate any substance that contains nicotine as a tobacco product."
Well there are enough challenges out - should find out, but the problem is how long will it take and how much of industry will last...
The FDA announced today that, as air (atmosphere) is required for the generation of smoke or steam/vapor, air is now considered a tobacco product if it is to be inhaled.
No, they didn't, but just wait...
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While I want to agree, I'm not sure I can.
I don't know that there are more than a few hundred folks that fit that category.
I might use it that way in the future...
But keep in mind that I am an outlier when it comes to most things vaping.
--I may never have been addicted to nicotine
--I no longer CURRENTLY even use nicotine anymore
--I love dripping and have never found it to be a hassle
--I go through less than 2ml per day
--I am going to be the last human on earth using a 510 atomizer
--I don't need clouds
--I don't believe nicotine by itself is all that addictive
--I fully intend to use nicotine again in the future
I try my best to understand the rest of you though.
Sorry, but you're not as unique as you think you are!
Ok, maybe you are, I use more then 2 ml per day and I use nic sometimes, when I feel like it 
Maybe not on this forum, but on the Ozzie forum you see it all the time, and that's because it's illegal to sell liquid nicotine full stop. Vendors have always sold "doublers" to which you add your own (privately sourced from overseas) nicotine at double your target strength and end up with double the amount of liquid at the designed flavour and your target nic strength.
Recently, there has been a trend amongst some vendors to supply RTV flavoured liquid to which you add a suitable amount of 100mg/ml (or even 200mg/ml) nicotine.
Just bear in mind though whilst it's not illegal to import liquid nicotine, it is an offence to possess it (in all states). It just isn't being enforced ATM.
Yeah, well, it's illegal in my state to not wear a seatbelt and/or go 112 MPH. Never wear a seatbelt and govern that Jeep Liberty out on I-75 whenever I can.
and Saliva causes cancer, but only if ingested in small amounts over a long period of time.
The thing to remember is that if the FDA's new definition of intended use passes muster in the courts it will not just pertain to e-cigarettes. The precedent will be used not only in what the FDA regulates but, will spread through out all the other agencies in the government and,eventually to the state level to allow government to intrude on any and all aspects of human activity.
Intended use will be the means for government agencies to write their own ticket in their quest to expand and to obtain more power and control over us.
Regards
Mike
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