not sure if this has been posted to not, nothing WE don't already know. but it's a very good video about the regs
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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A cross-disciplinary team of Ohio State researchers has discovered that e-cigarette manufacturers are making health claims that likely won't stand up to new Food and Drug Administration regulations.
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A cross-disciplinary team of Ohio State researchers has discovered that e-cigarette manufacturers are making health claims that likely won't stand up to new Food and Drug Administration regulations.
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I'm leery of the cessation tag. The last thing we probably want is anything related to "medical" being applied to vaping.
In some ways I wish myself and everybody else that submitted stories didn't use the phrase "quit smoking" so much but rather said "switched to vaping and non longer smoke cigarettes". All the majority of us did was exchange our smoking habit for a vaping one.
All we're asking for is a free choice of recreational use of inhaling nicotine. One that isn't pounded into the dirt by regulation. Easy over the counter access of a recreational choice other than burning or chewing tobacco.
The only reason I wanted to quit smoking was so I don't die or get really sick from inhaling tobacco smoke. I really did love smoking in some ways. I think we all did.
What a bunch of elitist bull crap.Nobody ever sees the threads listed in the FDA section.
A cross-disciplinary team of Ohio State researchers has discovered that e-cigarette manufacturers are making health claims that likely won't stand up to new Food and Drug Administration regulations.
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Unproven claims
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Nobody ever sees the threads listed in the FDA section.
A cross-disciplinary team of Ohio State researchers has discovered that e-cigarette manufacturers are making health claims that likely won't stand up to new Food and Drug Administration regulations.
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OK, I just had to pull this out for giggles:
"On top of advertising the products as a good way to quit smoking, the sites also promoted them for other unproven health benefits – as sleep aids or to boost sex drive, for instance, said Natalie Hemmerich, an attorney and postdoctoral fellow with Ohio State’s Center of Excellence in Regulatory Tobacco Science. Berman and Klein also are part of the center.
Some of the claims found in the study, including those promoting lesser health risks with electronic cigarettes, would likely survive the FDA’s scrutiny, Hemmerich said. But not all would.
Claims without scientific support or those that manipulate the science to overstate a product’s benefits could mislead consumers into buying electronic nicotine devices, she and her co-authors wrote.
“Some of these claims were clearly exaggerated, clearly false,” Berman said.
Though previous research has looked at advertising of electronic devices, this is the first study to analyze those claims from a legal perspective, the researchers said."
This was a study of claims made on websites evaluated by lawyers as to whether THEY think those claims are accurate. There was no testing of any e-cig product, there was nobody with actual medical training, and view this completely for a LEGAL perspective. They're concerned about inaccurate and misleading statements on e cig websites, but are OK without any basic science or clinical testing to support their argument that these statements are in fact unproven? Talk about false and misleading........
This statement right here tells me that they didn't even bother to research the MRTP application process.
But at the same time I bet you can't find a handful of smokers that have not at least thought or wished they could quit...
Sure, but primarily due to the side-effects, both current, and potential ones in the future, which vaping practically eliminate.
I totally agree there but I think a more fitting way of putting it is I could easily find unlimited smokers who wish they could still enjoy the act of smoking without worrying about the plethora of known risks from long term inhalation of tobacco smoke. For many of us it went beyond worrying about the known risks. It was worrying about what negative effects we were already experiencing.
My best friend was openly worried about his smokers cough. He brought it up often. Fast forward 3 years after his last cigarette and he barely remembers what smokers cough felt like.
One important barrier of entry is simplicity. Smoking is as simple as a free pack of matches and a pack of smokes. Vaping is easy to adopt if you put your mind to it and practice a little. Unfortunately laziness stands in the way for some. We all probably know a few. Another barrier is the smear campaign and misinformation from the media, friends, family, and even doctors. Which is a disgrace but very real.
my doc congratulated me a year ago for stopping analogs, then told me to stop vaping... and balked at my 95% less harmful mention.
To tell you the truth I loved smoking, I just hated how it made me feel, hated that it will kill me down the road, hated the fact that at 2 am I had to go outside in 0 F to get my nicotine. Now I don't have to, now I can enjoy smoking that is %95 safer than cigarettes. I still love smoking and probably always will.
I liked smoking also, until I was able to quit using e-cigs. Looking back on it now, no way could I ever like smoking again.
I can't like your post but it hits close. Another close friend of mine has smoked forever. Cigs up until 8 years ago and then cheap little cigars. Had to get surgery to have a thankfully benign growth in his throat removed. His doctor told him that vaping is as bad or worse than smoking so dont do it.
He fights his cravings and keeps it to 2-3 little cigars a day. And inhales of course. Whenever he tries to imply what I do isn't safe I always say the same thing. You do what you do and I do what I do and let's see where we're at in 10 years.
He's the kind of guy who would never listen to me over his doctor so there is no reason to even try. If his doctor said he should try switching he would beat me to death for what to buy and how to use it. Hopefully that day comes eventually
I want to believe I'm the same. Haven't touched a cig in 3 years and 2 months. But if vaping was wiped from the shelves and my stash got raided...how long would I last? I never lasted more than 5 years and that was a looong time ago. I tried NRTs after multiple relapses but they suck.
Vapers loved to learn something else that felt "like the real thing". Which has never happened before. Take that away and we learn to love not smoking or vaping? I can't say that would come easy for me.
The whole idea that the vaping industry is making unproven claims is kind of a red-herring. Scientists do research and the results either support their claim or it doesn't. The more research that is done that supports their claim, without any results that disprove the claim, the stronger the claim will be. At some point the claim is accepted, but it can always be disproved at some later time. This kind of makes it easy to say that it's unproved, even if it's well supported.
Dear FDA,
This note also goes out to insurance companies, naysaying doctors, and anyone else with a problem with vaping.
I AM a non-smoker. I do not smoke. Nothing is lit on fire. And, nothing is putting off an eye-watering, nose-burning, throat-searing, lung-clogging stench!
I never realized quite how bad that was until last night... I had to call The Wife this morning and apologize profusely for putting her through about 12 years of that torture. Oh, I never smoked inside. I tried to stay upwind. Still...
This was brought to me in the worst way last night. I am attending the OK Vape Jam in Oklahoma City. I decided to play nice... I told the hotel that I was a vaper, and that if that meant being put into a smoking room, then I was OK with that.
I was wrong!
Upon opening the door to the room, I was assaulted by the stench. Ok, I thought, it just needs aired out. I turned up the AC unit to air things out, and only succeeded in making it worse as I'm sure the vents had or have a liberal coating of ash and tar deposited on them.
Even so, I managed to finally fall asleep. But, I woke up with my nose running, my chest burning, my eyes streaming, coughing, a few restless hours later. The only thing I could think if was showering... a long long long long time.
I'm finally out, sipping coffee at a restaurant, and I can't help but think that ANYONE that wants to equate vaping and smoking needs to spend JUST ONE night in a room like that, then spend one night in a non-smoking room formerly occupied by vapers.
Vaping IS NOT SMOKING! As a vaper, I AM A NON-SMOKER. Quit trying to put me into that same pigeonhole.
Sincerely,
Shawn Hoefer
Slowly recovering, gasping, in Oklahoma City...
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk
This note also goes out to insurance companies, naysaying doctors, and anyone else with a problem with vaping.
I AM a non-smoker. I do not smoke. Nothing is lit on fire. And, nothing is putting off an eye-watering, nose-burning, throat-searing, lung-clogging stench!
I never realized quite how bad that was until last night... I had to call The Wife this morning and apologize profusely for putting her through about 12 years of that torture. Oh, I never smoked inside. I tried to stay upwind. Still...
This was brought to me in the worst way last night. I am attending the OK Vape Jam in Oklahoma City. I decided to play nice... I told the hotel that I was a vaper, and that if that meant being put into a smoking room, then I was OK with that.
I was wrong!
Upon opening the door to the room, I was assaulted by the stench. Ok, I thought, it just needs aired out. I turned up the AC unit to air things out, and only succeeded in making it worse as I'm sure the vents had or have a liberal coating of ash and tar deposited on them.
Even so, I managed to finally fall asleep. But, I woke up with my nose running, my chest burning, my eyes streaming, coughing, a few restless hours later. The only thing I could think if was showering... a long long long long time.
I'm finally out, sipping coffee at a restaurant, and I can't help but think that ANYONE that wants to equate vaping and smoking needs to spend JUST ONE night in a room like that, then spend one night in a non-smoking room formerly occupied by vapers.
Vaping IS NOT SMOKING! As a vaper, I AM A NON-SMOKER. Quit trying to put me into that same pigeonhole.
Sincerely,
Shawn Hoefer
Slowly recovering, gasping, in Oklahoma City...
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk
When I was a smoker I couldn't stand the smell if I got a room on the smoking floors at hotels. I've also vaped (a high PG juice) in non-smoking rooms in front of housekeeping staff without a second glance. I don't feel it is wrong to vape in a nonsmoking room as no tobacco odor remains in any manner to assault the next traveler. I would never consider the same, even just a few puffs, when I still smoked. I do, however, avoid vaping in public areas of a hotel where smoking is banned, as the sight on any type of cloud, no matter it's composition, brings out the torches and pitchforks.
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