Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[gerrymi]

New thread on vendors' Age Verification requirements...

List of vendors Age Verification requirements.


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[LauraBolyard]

Not being confident about your hardware tells me you have not chosen it wisely.

Lol, I've chosen wisely, just not confident that I have enough!

 

[choochoogranny]

Not surprising, LuraBolyard. We're all trying to forecast the future with unknown product durability and useful freezer life of potables.........Then there's our life span to toss in the mix. Gad, even our best scientists would have a hard time with that! You've done your research, stocked the best you could, now it's time to relax and "go with the flow."

 

[LoriP1702]

Not surprising, LuraBolyard. We're all trying to forecast the future with unknown product durability and useful freezer life of potables.........Then there's our life span to toss in the mix. Gad, even our best scientists would have a hard time with that! You've done your research, stocked the best you could, now it's time to relax and "go

Amen Chooch.

 

[salemgold]

Dropping in with more info that you guys may or may not already have. This makes things a little more clear IMO
Sorry if I am duplicating info that you already have

FDA's New Regulations for E-Cigarettes, Cigars, and All Other Tobacco Products

 

[Fozzy71]

riding my slow pony today

 

[Eskie]

Dropping in with more info that you guys may or may not already have. This makes things a little more clear IMO
Sorry if I am duplicating info that you already have

FDA's New Regulations for E-Cigarettes, Cigars, and All Other Tobacco Products

This was interesting from their FAQ
"What are the mission and goals of the Center for tobacco Products (CTP)?

tobacco use continues to be the leading cause of preventable death and disease in the United States. To help make tobacco-related death and disease a part of America's past, not its future, CTP is committed to educating the public about the harms of tobacco products, keeping tobacco products out of the hands of America's youth, and dramatically reducing the appeal of these deadly products. Everything we do is designed to reduce the impact of tobacco on public health, including our three key goals:

• Prevent Americans—especially youth—from starting to use tobacco
• Encourage current users to quit
• Decrease the harms of tobacco product use"

They sure have a funny way of encouraging current smokers to quit and decrease harm with the regs they put in place.

 

[Eskie]

House Committee Votes to Save the Vaping Industry

WASHINGTON, D.C. – In a big win for vapers, this afternoon the House Appropriations Committee voted in favor of an amendment to the FY 2017 Agriculture Appropriations bill that would modernize the predicate date for vapor products and stop the FDA from banning 99%-plus of vapor products on the market today. The bipartisan amendment by Rep. Tom Cole (R – OK) and Rep. Sanford Bishop (D – GA) passed by a 31-19 vote.

That vote was in April. It's still moving through the molasses that is Congress to actually be passed. Let's hope it makes its way through to enactment.

 

[Fozzy71]

oops my bad

 

[salemgold]

This was interesting from their FAQ
"What are the mission and goals of the Center for Tobacco Products (CTP)?

Tobacco use continues to be the leading cause of preventable death and disease in the United States. To help make tobacco-related death and disease a part of America's past, not its future, CTP is committed to educating the public about the harms of tobacco products, keeping tobacco products out of the hands of America's youth, and dramatically reducing the appeal of these deadly products. Everything we do is designed to reduce the impact of tobacco on public health, including our three key goals:

• Prevent Americans—especially youth—from starting to use tobacco
• Encourage current users to quit
• Decrease the harms of tobacco product use"

They sure have a funny way of encouraging current smokers to quit and decrease harm with the regs they put in place.

Take note that vendors importing supplies will be considered a manufacturer. All of them will need to do this. Wondering if they will need to set up US distributors willing to apply as manufacturer in order to supply the rest of them.

 

[bigdancehawk]

House Committee Votes to Save the Vaping Industry

WASHINGTON, D.C. – In a big win for vapers, this afternoon the House Appropriations Committee voted in favor of an amendment to the FY 2017 Agriculture Appropriations bill that would modernize the predicate date for vapor products and stop the FDA from banning 99%-plus of vapor products on the market today. The bipartisan amendment by Rep. Tom Cole (R – OK) and Rep. Sanford Bishop (D – GA) passed by a 31-19 vote.

Edit: nevermind

 

[bigdancehawk]

Take note that vendors importing supplies will be considered a manufacturer. All of them will need to do this. Wondering if they will need to set up US distributors willing to apply as manufacturer in order to supply the rest of them.

"...you will be regulated..."

 

[Lessifer]

This was interesting from their FAQ
"What are the mission and goals of the Center for Tobacco Products (CTP)?

Tobacco use continues to be the leading cause of preventable death and disease in the United States. To help make tobacco-related death and disease a part of America's past, not its future, CTP is committed to educating the public about the harms of tobacco products, keeping tobacco products out of the hands of America's youth, and dramatically reducing the appeal of these deadly products. Everything we do is designed to reduce the impact of tobacco on public health, including our three key goals:

• Prevent Americans—especially youth—from starting to use tobacco
• Encourage current users to quit
• Decrease the harms of tobacco product use"

They sure have a funny way of encouraging current smokers to quit and decrease harm with the regs they put in place.

Read it again, at no point do they mention cigarettes or smoking, it's all tobacco, tobacco products, and tobacco use.

 

[bigdancehawk]

Read it again, at no point do they mention cigarettes or smoking, it's all tobacco, tobacco products, and tobacco use.

Everything is treated the same. The criteria for approval are "one size fits all." Read pages 15-19 of THIS, a draft of FDA's "guidance" for anyone with the temerity to consider attempting a PMTA. My favorite example of the absurdity of the FDAs stance is drip tips, which are considered a "tobacco product." How would a drip tip maker go about complying with these requirements? For example,

"How do the health risks of switching from another tobacco product to your product compare to the health risks associated with quitting the use of tobacco products?

How do the health risks associated with your product compare to never using tobacco products? Accordingly, your scientific studies regarding health risks of your new tobacco product should allow for a comparison of the health risks of your tobacco product to the risks associated with quitting, using other tobacco products, and never using tobacco products. * * *

Additionally, you should provide evidence regarding the likelihood that your new product will be used concurrently with other tobacco products currently on the market. Your evaluation of the impact of the introduction of your new tobacco product on cessation rates should provide data on the attractiveness, addictiveness, and cessation rates of your new tobacco product as compared to other tobacco products currently on the market. * * *

To provide a full evaluation of the impact of your product on the market and on the population as a whole, your scientific evaluations should provide data on how the attractiveness and addictiveness of your product compares to that of products currently on the market.

You should specify what product features may enhance the attractiveness/appeal of your product to children and adolescents and what product features may minimize the attractiveness/appeal of your product to children and adolescents.

All of your scientific evaluations should use control groups of comparator products and use various tobacco use levels sufficient to address the questions and considerations above. For example, in evaluating the health risks of your product, clinical studies should provide data on biomarkers for users of other tobacco products as well as biomarkers for quitters and never-users."

 

[oplholik]

Everything is treated the same. The criteria for approval are "one size fits all." Read pages 15-19 of THIS, a draft of FDA's "guidance" for anyone with the temerity to consider attempting a PMTA. My favorite example of the absurdity of the FDAs stance is drip tips, which are considered a "tobacco product." How would a drip tip maker go about complying with these requirements? For example,

"How do the health risks of switching from another tobacco product to your product compare to the health risks associated with quitting the use of tobacco products?

How do the health risks associated with your product compare to never using tobacco products? Accordingly, your scientific studies regarding health risks of your new tobacco product should allow for a comparison of the health risks of your tobacco product to the risks associated with quitting, using other tobacco products, and never using tobacco products. * * *

Additionally, you should provide evidence regarding the likelihood that your new product will be used concurrently with other tobacco products currently on the market. Your evaluation of the impact of the introduction of your new tobacco product on cessation rates should provide data on the attractiveness, addictiveness, and cessation rates of your new tobacco product as compared to other tobacco products currently on the market. * * *

To provide a full evaluation of the impact of your product on the market and on the population as a whole, your scientific evaluations should provide data on how the attractiveness and addictiveness of your product compares to that of products currently on the market.

You should specify what product features may enhance the attractiveness/appeal of your product to children and adolescents and what product features may minimize the attractiveness/appeal of your product to children and adolescents.

All of your scientific evaluations should use control groups of comparator products and use various tobacco use levels sufficient to address the questions and considerations above. For example, in evaluating the health risks of your product, clinical studies should provide data on biomarkers for users of other tobacco products as well as biomarkers for quitters and never-users."

My head hurts. What a load!

 

[bigdancehawk]

My head hurts. What a load!

It's not by accident that they've made this thing extraordinarily complex, difficult and expensive.

 

[salemgold]

"...you will be regulated..."

Think that I would rather be regulated than assimilated as the rest of the population already has been

 

[r055co]

Think that I would rather be regulated than assimilated as the rest of the population already has been

What do you think regulated is?

Hate to tell you but regulation is assimilation by force.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

 

[salemgold]

There is a difference. I will stay with be regulated over assimilation. Being absorbed into something as you are part of it and being forced to do something are two different things. The latter still leaves the opportunity to rebel.

 

[Buckeyevapen]

Awesome article:

FDA Makes It Harder To Quit Smoking