Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[snork]

No clue. Those are the words of Patricia I.Kovacevic. I would think that if she feels it is great news, we should as well.

I think it's great news because the suspense is killing me.

 

[salemgold]

I think it's great news because the suspense is killing me.

Yes! There is that.

 

[Buckeyevapen]

I'll just leave this riiiiiiight here:
The gold standard: Cochrane looks at vaping - Vaping360

Aaaaaaand this:

Letter to Mitch Zeller on FDA e-cigarette rules | R Street

 

[DC2]

Our so-called representatives in government have no idea how enraged we are--or why. We were forced outside and away from others to shiver in the cold and freezing rain. We were forbidden to smoke in our own places of work. We were systematically isolated, condemned, humiliated, and demonized as a menace to bystanders and even to our own children. As the ANTZ put it, we were "denormalized" and "marginalized." We were taxed out the wazoo. Many of us spent a good deal of money on their approved cessation products which we found to be unpleasant, mostly ineffective and in some cases harmful to our mental well-being.

So the seed of our rage began to form.

And then at last we found a means to quit smoking--which is all they said they wanted. We did it because the free market and human ingenuity, unaided by government, devised and perfected a pleasant and relatively harmless alternative. We thought, "Now they'll stop marginalizing us and leave us alone." But no. Now they are attacking that alternative and threatening to all but destroy it, using the same tactics they employed so successfully against smoking and smokers, based on flawed, biased and misleading "studies," fear mongering, and a sick compulsion to regulate virtually every aspect of human behavior.

Over and over they have lied, abused the power entrusted to them, and betrayed us. They have forgotten that the primary function of the U.S. government is to protect and preserve our freedom, not to act as our parents.

So our rage reached a boiling point.

In all of this they have been aided by entrenched economic interests and uncritical media who have have failed in their essential role as the fourth branch of government--to keep a watchful eye, to inform the electorate when government abuses its power, and to expose its lies, thus further fueling our rage.

And we have failed too. Failed because we naively believed that good science, reason and logic would somehow prevail; failed because we believed that writing letters, sending emails and signing petitions would generate a change in policy, and failed because we and the vaping industry failed to organize, to join forces and to engage in the kind of all-out campaign necessary to defend our own interests.

Best post I've ever seen here.
Seriously.

Even better than this one I made...
The 5 Stages of Vaping


Yours blows mine away.

 

[DC2]

Just noticed what state you live in. I have very fond memories of AK. Was there for a couple of weeks during the Valdez spill clean-up. Met wonderful people.

Alaska is full of amazing and wonderful people.
I would move there when I retire if only my wife wasn't such a wuss.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

Alaska is full of amazing and wonderful people.
I would move there when I retire if only my wife wasn't such a wuss.

AK would be lucky to have you my friend. The Mrs. too.

 

[seminolewind]

Cigarettes are still on the market because they funnel billions of tax dollars to state governments. They are still on the market because they create millions of sick people every year who need medicine. I hate the cynical nature of those statements but that is WHY cigarettes are allowed to exist and it is WHAT makes vapor products so darn scary for some who cannot see beyond their own bottom line to the point: saving lives.

That's what we say and the real reason, I know. But what does the FDA say the reason is? Why is it acceptable to sell cigarettes ? They make a big deal out of everything else but cigarettes. What exactly is there reason? Maybe it's a stupid question.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

That's what we say and the real reason, I know. But what does the FDA say the reason is? Why is it acceptable to sell cigarettes ? They make a big deal out of everything else but cigarettes. What exactly is there reason? Maybe it's a stupid question.

Congress already settled the cigarette issue. That's over. Done. Kaput. Life is full of crap that doesn't make sense.

But here we are.

 

[newyork13]

Our so-called representatives in government have no idea how enraged we are--or why. We were forced outside and away from others to shiver in the cold and freezing rain. We were forbidden to smoke in our own places of work. We were systematically isolated, condemned, humiliated, and demonized as a menace to bystanders and even to our own children. As the ANTZ put it, we were "denormalized" and "marginalized." We were taxed out the wazoo. Many of us spent a good deal of money on their approved cessation products which we found to be unpleasant, mostly ineffective and in some cases harmful to our mental well-being.

So the seed of our rage began to form.

And then at last we found a means to quit smoking--which is all they said they wanted. We did it because the free market and human ingenuity, unaided by government, devised and perfected a pleasant and relatively harmless alternative. We thought, "Now they'll stop marginalizing us and leave us alone." But no. Now they are attacking that alternative and threatening to all but destroy it, using the same tactics they employed so successfully against smoking and smokers, based on flawed, biased and misleading "studies," fear mongering, and a sick compulsion to regulate virtually every aspect of human behavior.

Over and over they have lied, abused the power entrusted to them, and betrayed us. They have forgotten that the primary function of the U.S. government is to protect and preserve our freedom, not to act as our parents.

So our rage reached a boiling point.

In all of this they have been aided by entrenched economic interests and uncritical media who have have failed in their essential role as the fourth branch of government--to keep a watchful eye, to inform the electorate when government abuses its power, and to expose its lies, thus further fueling our rage.

And we have failed too. Failed because we naively believed that good science, reason and logic would somehow prevail; failed because we believed that writing letters, sending emails and signing petitions would generate a change in policy, and failed because we and the vaping industry failed to organize, to join forces and to engage in the kind of all-out campaign necessary to defend our own interests.

Wow. That is not only beautifully written, it precisely captures the situation. Wowl

 

[Lessifer]

That's what we say and the real reason, I know. But what does the FDA say the reason is? Why is it acceptable to sell cigarettes ? They make a big deal out of everything else but cigarettes. What exactly is there reason? Maybe it's a stupid question.

Because when congress wrote and passed the FSPTCA in 2009, there was included an exemption for existing cigarettes on the market prior to 2007. They are not exempt from the regulations, but they are exempt from the PMTA process and can be used for the basis of Substantial Equivalence applications. Honestly, what changes would they need to make to their cigarettes? There is no incentive for tobacco companies to develop "better" cigarettes, so they just keep the ones that they've been selling.

 

[Bea-FL]

Alaska is full of amazing and wonderful people.
I would move there when I retire if only my wife wasn't such a wuss.

Loved visiting but I couldnt live there either.

 

[Semiretired]

Honestly, what changes would they need to make to their cigarettes?

Suggested changes -
No added chemicals
No burning
Convert them to E-Cigs

 

[MoonLit_Water]

This Can't Be Good

Heavy smoker John Boehner joins tobacco company's board

 

[Eskie]

This Can't Be Good

Heavy smoker John Boehner joins tobacco company's board

I wonder, is smoking allowed inside the Reynolds board room?

He certainly will be an active proponent to keep his brand on the market. Maybe they'll have him lobby for cigalikes.

 

[retired1]

I wonder, is smoking allowed inside the Reynolds board room?

Newp.

Smoke out: Reynolds American to ban smoking in its offices

 

[Semiretired]

Newp.

Smoke out: Reynolds American to ban smoking in its offices

I'm sorry, but isn't there something wrong with this picture...

 

[sonicdsl]

This Can't Be Good

Heavy smoker John Boehner joins tobacco company's board

Great... more crying in the boardroom.

 

[bnrkwest]

Newp.

Smoke out: Reynolds American to ban smoking in its offices

Well Boehner may just have to use e cigs now LOL!

 

[mikepetro]

I wonder, is smoking allowed inside the Reynolds board room?

He certainly will be an active proponent to keep his brand on the market. Maybe they'll have him lobby for cigalikes.

I know it has since changed, but back around the year 2000 I did a software installation at a Reynolds plant in Richmond VA. Huge room, lots of high end top of the line servers.

There was a sign on the wall saying "Please feel free to enjoy a cigarette", and ashtrays everywhere.

It struck me as odd as in the IT world I had often seen diagrams showing the size of a smoke particle in relation to other things like dust etc and what it does to tape deck heads, which were used for data storage/backup etc in that room.

ETA: And they had vending machines that allowed Visitors/Vendors one free pack of smokes a day.

 

[Lessifer]

Suggested changes -
No added chemicals
No burning
Convert them to E-Cigs

Ah yes, but any of those changes would constitute a NEW product, forcing them to go through the onerous(even for them) PMTA process, with no guarantee of approval. The FSPTCA basically killed innovation in the tobacco industry.