Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Robino1]

"Looking at ways to reduce nicotine levels in cigarettes so that they are minimally or non-addictive, while not altering the nicotine content of noncombustible products such as e-cigarettes"

If you really think about it, smokers, when faced with cigarettes that are lighter, will smoke MORE cigarettes. A win, win for those that make money on cig sales.....


Hmmm something more to ponder...

 

[Kent C]

The intro guy gasps like a smoker.

Likely because of the change in policy of his new boss. :- )

 

[Eskie]

"Looking at ways to reduce nicotine levels in cigarettes so that they are minimally or non-addictive, while not altering the nicotine content of noncombustible products such as e-cigarettes"

I think that clarification was made to dissociate tobacco even further from E-cigs/vaping/ENDS/whatever new acronym they come up with.

 

[440BB]

"Looking at ways to reduce nicotine levels in cigarettes so that they are minimally or non-addictive, while not altering the nicotine content of noncombustible products such as e-cigarettes"

As if the nicotine is key addictive substance in cigarettes. I strongly suspect that a zero nic cigarette would be much more addictive than a 12mg vape.

Maybe I'm paranoid, but I think a number of the thousands of cigarette additives just may be addictive...

 

[Kent C]

If you really think about it, smokers, when faced with cigarettes that are lighter, will smoke MORE cigarettes. A win, win for those that make money on cig sales.....


Hmmm something more to ponder...

This (reducing nic and tar) has already been done, unsuccessfully. (during the 'Lights' and 'Ultralights' era - which is now unlawful to so name cigarettes). Sales went up and the FDA basically told tobacco companies to put the nicotine level back where it was. Then the TC people accused the tobacco companies of 'making them more addictive'

 

[listopencil]

This (reducing nic and tar) has already been done, unsuccessfully. (during the 'Lights' and 'Ultralights' era - which is now unlawful to so name cigarettes). Sales went up and the FDA basically told tobacco companies to put the nicotine level back where it was. Then the TC people accused the tobacco companies of 'making them more addictive'

Yes, but consider that he said that nic levels for vaping would not be affected. So people who don't get enough of a nic fix through smoking could be enticed by a higher nic vape-which wasn't around then. I think he's trying to set up a situation where people are naturally pushed away from smokes and the only people who smoke are those who want that actual smoking experience.

 

[Robino1]

Yes, but consider that he said that nic levels for vaping would not be affected. So people who don't get enough of a nic fix through smoking could be enticed by a higher nic vape-which wasn't around then. I think he's trying to set up a situation where people are naturally pushed away from smokes and the only people who smoke are those who want that actual smoking experience.

I truly hope that is the intention and what actually does happen.

 

[listopencil]

I truly hope that is the intention and what actually does happen.

I was pretty happy with the way the guy presented himself. He seems like he's being rational and proactive. As a libertarian I find social engineering abhorrent but I also know that I'm not going to get my way all of the time, so if we have to endure government intervention at least let it make sense.

 

[Eskie]

Sounds good to me. Did anyone tell him that cloud chuckers use way less nic in their juice?

 

[Kent C]

Yes, but consider that he said that nic levels for vaping would not be affected. So people who don't get enough of a nic fix through smoking could be enticed by a higher nic vape-which wasn't around then. I think he's trying to set up a situation where people are naturally pushed away from smokes and the only people who smoke are those who want that actual smoking experience.

I consider that. Basically just saying what happened in the past which should be something he should know and that people will bring that up to him. If he responds as you have, that will be good :- )

 

[listopencil]

Sounds good to me. Did anyone tell him that cloud chuckers use way less nic in their juice?

Please don't let him spend any time around the klowdz bro klowdz vapers. Doctors tend to get freaked out by that.

 

[zoiDman]

Just posted on youtube....

Wow... What a Complete 180 in principle from the previous HHS/FDA.

 

[Bronze]

As a libertarian I find social engineering abhorrent but I also know that I'm not going to get my way all of the time, so if we have to endure government intervention at least let it make sense.

This is exactly the orbit I come from. There are some here over the life of this thread who have taken a very pure, highly ideological stance on government interference in the vape industry. I can safely say I agree nearly 100% (if not 100%) with their views. But as the years pile on and my edges get worn down I realize I have to live in the real world. That means I have to strive for what is doable, not what is ideologically pure.

 

[Bronze]

Wow... What a Complete 180 in principle from the previous HHS/FDA.

Indeed! It's more of a rational approach unlike the previous administrators whose primary goal was to control people's lives.

 

[zoiDman]

Indeed! It's more of a rational approach unlike the previous administrators whose primary goal was to control people's lives.

Agreed. I posted this in another thread...

I always felt that if we could just Hold On Long Enough, that Reputable Science and Non-Rhetoric Policy thinking could prevail.

Extending out these Compliant Dates sorely helps to get us to a Place where THR can be Evaluated more Objectively.

 

[Bronze]

Agreed. I posted this in another thread...

I've always had serious problems over people who think they know what is best for me. I mean, some things are easy. It's safe to say that smoking is not best for me like it is not best for me to light myself on fire. But gee whiz, don't take my rights away to find alternatives that are better. Cripes!

 

[stols001]

In a purely libertarian world, with minimal intervention, going down the road of reducing nicotine in cigarettes isn't really the way to go. I mean, I probably know five-fold number of smokers who are going to be deeply upset by this than vapers... It's social engineering to PUSH people into vaping, even if the outcome may be more positive (and we, as vapers, are so happy to not be on the chopping block, that we aren't necessarily thinking of the smokers involved, some people have no desire to quit). It is a fascinating and totally unexpected reversal, and I will be happy at the outcome (possibly) and if the desire is to push people to harm reduction that's great. That said, it's still social engineering. I really wish that it becomes a fair and good outcome for smokers too... I have a lot of empathy surrounding that issue. I would have hated it if the FDA started removing things from my cigs... At least for most of my life. That said, I don't think my pitiful opinion matters much

Anna

 

[Rossum]

Wow... What a Complete 180 in principle from the previous HHS/FDA.

But vaping has nothing to do with partisan politics, right?

 

[mikepetro]

I am also directing CTP to explore other aspects of the current application review process. In particular, I have asked CTP to consider whether its current plan, which is to review all of the so-called Provisional Substantial Equivalence products, is an effective use of its resources and whether it should continue to pursue the current approach to these reviews. I have asked CTP to consider whether there is an approach that makes more sense, and whether by not reviewing some of those products, those review resources could be freed up for other purposes and greater clarity could be provided to the market.

I sure am eager to learn what he actually "means" by this.

 

[zoiDman]

But vaping has nothing to do with partisan politics, right?

Absolutely Not!

That would be putting the Good of a Party Above the Good of the Country.