It absolutely does. Deeming regulations are highly political. That's why it used to bug the hell out of me when we got hit over the head by the mods who kept telling us to keep politics out of the discussion. Sorry, but the founder of ECF started this thread and it was political the very second he hit the send button. They asked for it and they got it. However, it is possible to discuss the political issues without extending it beyond the vaping arena. At times there are some who like to lecture us on their political leanings that have nothing to do with vaping. I think that is what the moderators intended to cut out.But vaping has nothing to do with partisan politics, right?
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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Could be the regulations in place prior to today's announced changes were perceived by BP as impeding their efforts bringing to market new nicotine based medicines. Alzheimer's immediately comes to mind. Or even just giving BP time to "catch up" to BT in the ecig market.
Good news for us none the less but for now I'm sticking to my mantra of "trust no one, believe nothing" when it comes to our government and their cash cow lobbying partners.
I guess I'll have to be the first to say it...
Bill Godshall was right all along.
Bill Godshall was right all along.
I like where your head is at, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply.
There is nothing in the deeming that would have prevented BP from introducing nicotine drugs.
In fact, the deeming as designed would have given them that market with no competition.
Now they will have competition which is cheaper and better.
This I agree with.
BP already had control over the medical portion of nicotine. Originally the FDA tried to take control over ecigs by calling them a medical device. That didn't fly with the courts.
I thought the exact same thing when I read it also. I know from personal experience(as all that are here do also) that when reducing the nicotine levels in our ejuice we all vape more. When I was still smoking and tried to go to a lower level nic cigarette I also smoked more. Once again they have the facts azz backwards. Can they really be that ignorant? And whom do they think will really believe this &(&(*** that they are selling?
But for right now, I am doing a happy dance that the pressure is off the deadlines and that more people will have the opportunity to be able to make the switch to ecigs and save their lives. This is a good day. so far
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Good news for the 95% of vapers in the US that are completely oblivious to deeming or any of the looming regs. B&Ms and smaller juice manufacturers too.
In many of our cases, this might mean that the urgency around that last nic purchase is gone for now. Not much else beyond a few more years of cool new mods and tanks.
In many of our cases, this might mean that the urgency around that last nic purchase is gone for now. Not much else beyond a few more years of cool new mods and tanks.
Well, just in case anyone missed it, I got this exciting news from Vapedojo today in their newsletter.
The FDA just announced that they are extending the regulation deadlines by 4 years, from August 8th, 2018 to August 8th, 2022 for ENDS products. Yes, 2022.
This is still developing, and the FDA isn't expected to release a written update of the guidelines until next week at the earliest, but here's the basics:
This is pretty great news for the industry as a whole. We have been working towards our PMTA application process, following the timeline set forth by the deeming regs, but without nearly any specific direction from the FDA. The FDA is now saying '...Maybe alternative, less-harmful nicotine products aren't as bad as originally thought. Here's some extra time to get your stuff ready, and here's an actual roadmap and directions as to what we want to see when you turn it in.'
The bigger overall point is that FDA director Gottlieb is apparently more open to examining situations, gathering research, and making decisions based on that, versus knee-jerk, all or nothing stances that seem to have made up previous policies. This statement relays the fact that they are interested not only in ENDS, but in a full range of harm reduction, from new hardware research to reducing nicotine levels in traditional cigarettes.
These are exciting times, and this is some of the best news we could have hoped for on a Friday! Everyone enjoy your weekends, and stay tuned for updates, as the FDA releases more information.
The FDA just announced that they are extending the regulation deadlines by 4 years, from August 8th, 2018 to August 8th, 2022 for ENDS products. Yes, 2022.
This is still developing, and the FDA isn't expected to release a written update of the guidelines until next week at the earliest, but here's the basics:
- The grandfather date of 8/8/2007 stays in place.
- All products still have to go through a Pre-Market Tobacco Application (PMTA) process. Previously, it was due on August 8th 2018, it is now due by August 8 2022.
- Any specific regulations that have already been implemented [age restrictions, warning labels, etc.] stay. No retroactive changes to any of these.
- New guidelines and documentation concerning PMTAs and the type of research and requirements the FDA/CTP will be looking for will be issued in the upcoming months.
- The things we already have going on will keep going on. Registration dates, ingredient listings, harmful material reports will all continue to be submitted as outlined in the current deeming regs, until further notice.
This is pretty great news for the industry as a whole. We have been working towards our PMTA application process, following the timeline set forth by the deeming regs, but without nearly any specific direction from the FDA. The FDA is now saying '...Maybe alternative, less-harmful nicotine products aren't as bad as originally thought. Here's some extra time to get your stuff ready, and here's an actual roadmap and directions as to what we want to see when you turn it in.'
The bigger overall point is that FDA director Gottlieb is apparently more open to examining situations, gathering research, and making decisions based on that, versus knee-jerk, all or nothing stances that seem to have made up previous policies. This statement relays the fact that they are interested not only in ENDS, but in a full range of harm reduction, from new hardware research to reducing nicotine levels in traditional cigarettes.
These are exciting times, and this is some of the best news we could have hoped for on a Friday! Everyone enjoy your weekends, and stay tuned for updates, as the FDA releases more information.
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If you have not been writing and calling, START NOW.
This is not a win. It's a reprieve... a delay... a chance to take the fight to a new level. This is not the time to rest on laurels...
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Please excuse me if this has already been covered. But does this mean that consumer purchases of liquid nicotine are safe for a while longer too?
Totally agree Shawn. But at least we can breathe a little easier now knowing there is more time to get new studies done, hopefully more positive results that continue to prove vaping is a bit healthier, new and improved vape gear, and more peoples lives saved. I continue to hope that one day the medical community will recognize that smoking is an addiction just as powerful as the illegal ones. To date they still treat it as a choice which it clearly is not.
Stay tuned cause I haven't seen where that is mentioned yet. That just may be the next shoe to drop. So, cya and watch for sales.
I thought the exact same thing when I read it also. I know from personal experience(as all that are here do also) that when reducing the nicotine levels in our ejuice we all vape more. When I was still smoking and tried to go to a lower level nic cigarette I also smoked more. Once again they have the facts azz backwards. Can they really be that ignorant? And whom do they think will really believe this &(&(*** that they are selling?
But for right now, I am doing a happy dance that the pressure is off the deadlines and that more people will have the opportunity to be able to make the switch to ecigs and save their lives. This is a good day. so far
I'm wondering if Gottlieb really wants to lower the nic in combustible cigarettes. Maybe he wanted that in the policy to placate the tobacco control people while he reduces regulation on ecigs.
This is exactly why the FDA looks so incompetent to me. To the uneducated it appears as if he is doing a 'good' thing by 'reducing' nicotine levels, when the reality is just the opposite. Surely they already know that decreased nic in cigarettes increases sales as evidenced in history when they tried it before. (at least that is what I think you meant by placate BT). So then the question still remains.....who does he think will buy this BS? Don't get me wrong, I hope more smokers become vapers, but not by being pushed as the poster Anna suggests.
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