Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
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On the ladder thing, if you are on pavement/asphalt, you can walk/rock the ladder while climbing to stay stable. You can actually climb up and down, seen it in person - but we had to shut the highway down for it. (The only hard surface in town.) It won't work on dirt/sand/gravel.
Interesting take with an article from Gottlieb published in the New England Journal of Medicine today
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1707409?query=TOC
That's reaching out to a very important crowd, physicians in all specialties of medicine. While there is a bit of fudging on ENDS regarding a regulatory framework for the marketplace, it's still on his agenda for reducing tobacco use, and offering a perspective that ENDS isn't all evil.
(note NEJM is the most respected journal on general medicine in the US)
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1707409?query=TOC
That's reaching out to a very important crowd, physicians in all specialties of medicine. While there is a bit of fudging on ENDS regarding a regulatory framework for the marketplace, it's still on his agenda for reducing tobacco use, and offering a perspective that ENDS isn't all evil.
(note NEJM is the most respected journal on general medicine in the US)
Nice find, Eskie!
I enjoyed that article and especially the fact that he talked about possible compensatory measures that may happen with lowering nic in tobacco (smoking more) though he then immediately followed it up with a few references of studies where that did not happen.... Though at least, he did *consider* the possibility.
It sounds to me like he's still staying pretty balanced in his comments. Let's hope that continues, it's easy to put out some great rhetoric, especially when he hasn't actually gotten down to the nitty gritty of things as yet. I'm hoping his claimed commitment to be guided by *all* legitimate research continues to prevail, though.
Thanks for posting it!
Anna
I enjoyed that article and especially the fact that he talked about possible compensatory measures that may happen with lowering nic in tobacco (smoking more) though he then immediately followed it up with a few references of studies where that did not happen.... Though at least, he did *consider* the possibility.
It sounds to me like he's still staying pretty balanced in his comments. Let's hope that continues, it's easy to put out some great rhetoric, especially when he hasn't actually gotten down to the nitty gritty of things as yet. I'm hoping his claimed commitment to be guided by *all* legitimate research continues to prevail, though.
Thanks for posting it!
Anna
It's kinda Funny. But this wording from the NEJM Link makes it sound like this is Something New...
Evidence shows that most cigarette smokers are concerned about their health and are interested in quitting and that most have tried to quit.2 Reducing cigarettes’ addictiveness could help addicted users quit more easily and help keep those who are experimenting — young people, in particular — from becoming regular smokers. And the availability of potentially less harmful tobacco products could reduce risk while delivering satisfying levels of nicotine for adults who still need or want it.
But Isn't this what We have been say'n for a Long Time?
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Am I the only one that sees what they are doing. It seems most everyone is OK with being deemed a tobacco product. Once we all get on board with that concept it is a very slippery slope down to vaping being treated just the same as smoking. The powers that be will end up with everything they want with our blessing. Looks like smoke, must be controlled and TAXED 
It seems to me like we think there are only 2 categories we can fall under...either a tobacco product or a drug. There has to be another option but it seems to me the ones that can do something about getting vaping classified as something new seem to be OK with being classified as tobacco and are at the table begging for crumbs.
I guess I am just beating a dead horse at this point in time.
It seems to me like we think there are only 2 categories we can fall under...either a tobacco product or a drug. There has to be another option but it seems to me the ones that can do something about getting vaping classified as something new seem to be OK with being classified as tobacco and are at the table begging for crumbs.
I guess I am just beating a dead horse at this point in time.
Am I the only one that sees what they are doing. It seems most everyone is OK with being deemed a tobacco product. Once we all get on board with that concept it is a very slippery slope down to vaping being treated just the same as smoking. The powers that be will end up with everything they want with our blessing. Looks like smoke, must be controlled and TAXED
As "another tobacco product", it's just a matter of time before they apply the nicotine reduction strategy to ecigs. Starting with cigarettes will lead to blanket application of nic restrictions.
Funny there is no discussion of reducing all the other chemicals which contribute to smoking addiction.
Am I the only one that sees what they are doing. It seems most everyone is OK with being deemed a tobacco product. Once we all get on board with that concept it is a very slippery slope down to vaping being treated just the same as smoking. The powers that be will end up with everything they want with our blessing. Looks like smoke, must be controlled and TAXED
It seems to me like we think there are only 2 categories we can fall under...either a tobacco product or a drug. There has to be another option but it seems to me the ones that can do something about getting vaping classified as something new seem to be OK with being classified as tobacco and are at the table begging for crumbs.
I guess I am just beating a dead horse at this point in time.
I think Few Vaper's are "OK" with e-Liquids being Deemed Tobacco Products. But isn't that the Road we have been on since the NJOY/Sottera Lawsuit in 2010?
Would I like to see a piece of Legislation Passed that classified e-Liquids as something else besides a Deemed Tobacco Product? Absolutely. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.
So it's kinda a Dance with the One who brought you thing to me.
random thoughts...couldn't nicotine fall under a supplement category ?
Yep, that option was cussed and discussed but maybe things have changed since then. It isn't like the alphabets have never changed their minds when it suits their purpose. It would be great if somehow they would do it in our favor this time. Rose colored glasses anyone. I know, I know, never gonna happen
... It would be great if somehow they would do it in our favor this time. Rose colored glasses anyone. I know, I know, never gonna happen
There is One thing that Government Agencies and Elected Officials can Not Hold back forever science-wise. And that is the Truth.
Yes, they can Initially swing public opinion using Quasi-Science, FUD, and Hyped Up smear campaigns. But if enough Time can go by, science, True Science will tell the Real Story.
And that is Exactly what I believe we are in Right Now. The Beginning of a Phase where Factual Science is starting to Emerge regarding e-Cigarettes.
Be it by Design, or be it due to the Ineptness of the FDA to roll out the Deeming Rule Set sooner, or because of an Unexpected changing of the guard at the FDA, e-Cigarette use is starting to be viewed for what we have known it to be for Years. Viable Harm Reduction over Smoking.
So don't Toss out those rose coloured glasses just yet. And Never say Never.
Every Vaper isn't going to get Everything they Wanted. That just Wasn't going to happen. And it will Never Again be like it was before August 8th 2016. No... The Golden era of e-Cigarettes I think have pasted.
But I do believe that things Are going to be a lot better than what Most Expected them to be. And I am Encouraged when I see names like Columbia and or Rutgers in an Article that is for once presenting Positive views on e-Cigarette use.
Daily e-cigarette users had highest rates of quitting smoking
Authors: Scott Gottlieb, M.D., and Mitchell Zeller, J.D
"Rendering cigarettes minimally addictive or nonaddictive, within a landscape including other, noncombustible products such as e-cigarettes, represents a promising foundation for a comprehensive approach to tobacco harm reduction. In working toward this vision, the FDA is committed to striking an appropriate balance between protecting the public and fostering innovation in less harmful nicotine delivery."
" Ultimately, we may be able to transform the tobacco marketplace and the delivery of nicotine to protect future generations of young people and save many millions of lives."
This comes close to advocating ecigs to young people.....
Also check out a rather good news story here:
Daily e-cigarette users had highest rates of quitting smoking
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