Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[zoiDman]

From the Link in this thread...

Spring Unified Agenda: FDA’s Anticipated Upcoming Regulatory Work

"..., we [the FDA] will be proposing a new regulation to establish product standards for electronic nicotine delivery systems or ENDS. The proposed standard will, among other things, address the levels of toxicants and impurities found in nicotine, propylene glycol, and vegetable glycerin e-liquid, as these toxicants and impurities can cause death or other adverse health effects.

..."

Spring Unified Agenda: FDA’s Anticipated Upcoming Regulatory Work | FDA Voice

Big Wheel Keeps on Turning
Proud Mary keeps on Burning
Roll'n
Roll'n
Roll'n Down the River

 

[mikepetro]

From the Link in this thread...

Spring Unified Agenda: FDA’s Anticipated Upcoming Regulatory Work

"..., we [the FDA] will be proposing a new regulation to establish product standards for electronic nicotine delivery systems or ENDS. The proposed standard will, among other things, address the levels of toxicants and impurities found in nicotine, propylene glycol, and vegetable glycerin e-liquid, as these toxicants and impurities can cause death or other adverse health effects.

..."

Spring Unified Agenda: FDA’s Anticipated Upcoming Regulatory Work | FDA Voice

Big Wheel Keeps on Turning
Proud Mary keeps on Burning
Roll'n
Roll'n
Roll'n Down the River

Like I said, who gives a damn about the hardware, all they have to do is regulate the nic to the point of being non-effective.

Glad I already bought my Term Insurance policy......

 

[mikepetro]

 

[Jingles]

I wonder what kind of toxicants and impurities they think they are going to find? Isn't the VG and PG already USP grade? How many people have died from "bad" juice? I haven't heard of any. Allergic reactions, mostly to the PG, sure..but death? Umm, No, at least not that I have heard of. Seems to me like they are scaremongering and being overly cautious.

 

[mikepetro]

I wonder what kind of toxicants and impurities they think they are going to find? Isn't the VG and PG already USP grade? How many people have died from "bad" juice? I haven't heard of any. Allergic reactions, mostly to the PG, sure..but death? Umm, No, at least not that I have heard of. Seems to me like they are scaremongering and being overly cautious.

PG and VG do produce nasties if heated too high (and yes, within ranges that some folks do vape at), considerably less than cigarettes, but it does occur.

Death, well H20 will kill you too.....

 

[zoiDman]

I wonder what kind of toxicants and impurities they think they are going to find? Isn't the VG and PG already USP grade? How many people have died from "bad" juice? I haven't heard of any. Allergic reactions, mostly to the PG, sure..but death? Umm, No, at least not that I have heard of. Seems to me like they are scaremongering and being overly cautious.

Whenever you see a Regulatory Agency say this... "among other things", that is usually a Bad Sign.

Who doesn't want their Nicotine of PG or VG to be Impurity Free? Right? So your PR release gives that Warm n' Fuzzy feeling of being Reasonable and Responsible.

But in One Hand you have Bread. And in the Other a Stone.

Because Can't ALL Flavorings/Sweeteners be shown to have some level of Toxicity depending on the Dose and the Frequency of use?

 

[Bronze]

Hey, I used to be quite a genuine one of those "scourge of the Earth" teens, and now I am a pillar of the community (more\less).

Pillar or pill?

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

Hey, I used to be quite a genuine one of those "scourge of the Earth" teens, and now I am a pillar of the community (more\less).

Pillar: piece of rock that stands there doing nothing.

Hmmmm...

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[stols001]

Pillar or pill?

Oh I think he's a pillar. I was one of those teens. If I knew my future (living in the suburbs clipping coupons even, owning two dogs and raising a child while working to help people?

LOL, my 16 year old self, armed with that knowledge, would have DESPISED me.

Here's the thing (and I bet, @mikepetro , we could trade some stories, LOL. But not here). BEING one of those teens and emerging from it gives you a lot of skills. I can guarantee that I wouldn't have gotten along so well with my "problem kiddos" including my own, if I wasn't that sort of teen.

My mom was (and remains) oblivious. She would have had such and easier time if she had tried even ONE illicit drug. She couldn't even bring herself to start smoking. LOL, she was always enabling my kiddo, even as I was going, "MOM, can you not SEE what he's doing? He claims his speaker system was STOLEN and all of a sudden he's talking about Pineapple express? You really think those speakers were "stolen"?

I regret nothing. I really don't. And I'm so glad I had those skills, they're useful.

I have often found the rotten teens are smarter. The stealthy ones, even more so. I was a "good kid" and thinking back, I have NO clue how I DID all my heinous acts and STILL got everything accomplished. LOL. I guess I had a ton of energy back then.

These teens are worth saving, every last single one of their rotten hides and they usually (unless they die along the way) become assets to society. They're smart. They've been through the wringer, they're done with it.

I will never say ONE negative word about the teens our government is currently using. I'm actually GLAD I grew up when I did, where I did. It just was a whole different world, with the parents trying to keep up, but ZERO police involvement. Well, I guess the cops did come collect me (twice) during a runaway attempt (my parents put me in an upstairs room, I promptly jumped out (I know how to fall) and ran away again.

The police were less pleasant the second time, although I will admit to some amusement as they tried to "simmer the situation down," and asking me these super cheesy questions about what was bothering me. "Existence." I said. They didn't quite know how to answer that one.

Anna

 

[MacTechVpr]

Haven't been on in a while. I just received an infuriating article. Florida has an amendment to our State Constitution to ban offshore drilling. They just happened to add a ban on vaping in enclosed workplaces onto it. I do not understand what these two have in common. What a bunch of baloney. A vaping ban has no business being in any Amendment. I am guessing someone with deep pockets put it in this particularb Amendment to make sure it will pass. So frustrated!

MeeToo. Tracked this through markup and couldn't pick up how or where there was to be any public debate or information (once the needed signatures were obtained or anyone in legislature submits to apparently move in short order to the ballot!). The nefarious part of all this chicanery is how they simply lump a bunch of unrelated things into a single amendment just like our federal gov. No one will read beyond the title and short summary, if they read at all. Florida, in my lifetime, has practically become just like all the City States. Maybe we need a divorce from Tallahassee.

Good luck.

p.s. Here in Broward, there was merely a notice given for public comment some time back…in the funny papers just a day or so prior to the meet. The threshold for amendment submission is rather low.

Well the good news here in FL is that this incredibly repugnant and devious usurpation…failed in drafting after being approved in committee. It would seem they couldn't quite figure out how to describe putting wings on this pig. However, I've no doubt some obnoxious fool will certainly try the reprehensible once again to draw attention and support for their incumbency.

Good luck.

 

[Mowgli]

 

[mikepetro]

Pillar or pill?

Hmmm, depends on the day....

 

[ScottP]

So your PR release gives that Warm n' Fuzzy feeling of being Reasonable and Responsible.

Most governmental regulations, these FDA regulations especially, are like condoms. They give you the feeling of safety and security, while being screwed with no sensitivity at all.

 

[Bronze]

Most governmental regulations, these FDA regulations especially, are like condoms. They give you the feeling of safety and security, while being screwed with no sensitivity at all.

Compassion is another one. Our pols stand in front of us telling us how compassionate they are for this group and that group by taking our money and giving it away to someone else "in need". Our money, their compassion.

 

[untar]

Most governmental regulations, these FDA regulations especially, are like condoms. They give you the feeling of safety and security, while being screwed with no sensitivity at all.

Maybe those regulations should be "ribbed" then?

 

[ScottP]

I wonder what kind of toxicants and impurities they think they are going to find? Isn't the VG and PG already USP grade? How many people have died from "bad" juice? I haven't heard of any. Allergic reactions, mostly to the PG, sure..but death? Umm, No, at least not that I have heard of. Seems to me like they are scaremongering and being overly cautious.

There have been a few deaths from eliquid, but NONE from using it correctly. One guy died injecting the liquid directly into his veins, another died after binge drinking lots of alcohol and eliquid. Both were ruled suicides.

 

[Rossum]

Glad I already bought my Term Insurance policy......

You only got term?

I sprang for whole-life!

 

[MacTechVpr]

Our money, their compassion.

You've been promoted George.

Good luck.

 

[Rossum]

PG and VG do produce nasties if heated too high (and yes, within ranges that some folks do vape at), considerably less than cigarettes, but it does occur.

Right, those nasties (carbonyls) can be produced if a coil runs too hot, but that's not the same as being "found in nicotine, propylene glycol, and vegetable glycerin e-liquid", is it?

I'm not sure whether they're trying to couch some nefarious (to us) intent in that language or if they're just making good-sounding noise to placate the anti-vape crowd.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Right, those nasties (carbonyls) can be produced if a coil runs too hot, but that's not the same as being "found in nicotine, propylene glycol, and vegetable glycerin e-liquid", is it?

I'm not sure whether they're trying to couch some nefarious (to us) intent in that language or if they're just making good-sounding noise to placate the anti-vape crowd.

They're laying the groundwork for a more intractable legal foundation. I mean, after all, they warned us didn't they?

Good luck.