Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[englishmick]

IMO: The point is that they KNOW 96 out 100 were able to make a purchase and have the products ship to them. The 4 that weren't able to make a purchase is irrelevant to the 96 who did.

IMO: wouldn't take long before they'll be buying it for each other or selling to each other. Thus it establishes a black market and organized network of sellers and buyers within the youth groups. Where the same products are still available.

Come to think of it, if a teen used an adult's credit card to buy stuff the packages would arrive addressed with the name of the adult. You would need the adult's OK for that to work. In which case the adult could order them and give them to the kid.

Maybe their point is just that if parents are willing to break the law to buy forbidden stuff for their kids the only way to stop them is to stop the product being sold. All makes sense in a horrible nightmare sort of way.

 

[mightymen]

Come to think of it, if a teen used an adult's credit card to buy stuff the packages would arrive addressed with the name of the adult. You would need the adult's OK for that to work. In which case the adult could order them and give them to the kid.

Maybe their point is just that if parents are willing to break the law to buy forbidden stuff for their kids the only way to stop them is to stop the product being sold. All makes sense in a horrible nightmare sort of way.

Do the online stores verify age with the credit card companies - I don't know?

I get stuff delivered all the time, I got three packages coming this week. They drop them by the door and I pick it them up. No signature required. Tracking number tells us when it will be delivered.

 

[Blitzdonlife]

Do the online stores verify age with the credit card companies - I don't know?

I get stuff delivered all the time, I got three packages coming this week. They drop them by the door and I pick it them up. No signature required. Tracking number tells us when it will be delivered.

Same here

 

[Dr. Seuss]

OK, to be fair, and by now you all should all know my opinion of inflammatory crap and bad science, but check this article out:
https://nypost.com/2019/09/15/vaping-mom-left-in-coma-from-mystery-lung-illness/

Nowhere in there does it mention THC nor CBD. It reads like a hit-piece from the ANTZ. I mean "Oh, I just started vaping because everyone was doing it and the flavors, and then I got hooked on nic." And now she comes down with a mystery illness. And she's been at it only a few years. And the symptoms sound the same as the THC + vit-a street cart issues.

I'd almost swear there's a psyops operation going on. Or some weird contaminant that also made it into Juul. If she was only vaping flavored nic......

What the heck?

Maybe just incomplete story. You be the judge. That, and there's a thread here:
Watched a video and it got me curious on this study
Now here, the mouse study showed lipid accumulation from vaping PG/VG (lipids from the body's own tissues).

So WTHeck is with this timing and such?

I mean, I've been vaping over 9 years now.
What.
Is.
Going.
On.

When it's isolated to the THC street-cart, it makes some sense. But these two links are putting me on edge.
Thoughts?

I still put on my tinfoil hat sometimes and see juul as a plant this whole time used solely as an excuse for some to be able to stick their nose into vaping. Anyone who believes the articles etc are just the powers that be being uneducated is silly. It’s not rocket science and we all found the facts pretty easy so.... we trust these people with protecting us and finding threats when they can’t find vape facts? No way this is an accident, no way it’s random and no way certain people haven’t been around a table for a long time now creating a game plan...that is working.

Completely random we’re talking about a subject that has interfered massively with a flow of cash that is unable to be ignored. If you can get past the elementary belief that these people have your best interest in mind and hold themselves to a standard of truth...it all starts making sense.

Not the first time, not the last, it’s how they do business. Ps, your vote never counted. I know, that one hit me directly in the feels too. Pretend you’re looking at a church that worships money as it’s savior, and above all loyalty and service to money is the ‘Golden Commandment’. There you go.

 

[Lowjumper]

Next time your in Waley World check out there juice selection! No need to order on line.

 

[englishmick]

Do the online stores verify age with the credit card companies - I don't know?

I get stuff delivered all the time, I got three packages coming this week. They drop them by the door and I pick it them up. No signature required. Tracking number tells us when it will be delivered.

There's a thread somewhere that lists the age verification process for probably most of the online vape vendors. Most of them you put in your order then it asks for your date of birth. It uses public records to match your name and DOB, along with your address as given to the vendor. I think some of them get info from the CC company. Some of them ask for a photocopy of your drivers license with the name, photo, and DOB visible. Sometimes a photo with you holding the card up next to your face so they can match the DL photo with your face. Maybe that's how some vendors catch the fakers.

I guess a teen could borrow a parent's card without permission and use tracking to intercept the package before the parent saw it. Or use the option to pick it up instead of having it delivered, though you would need ID matching the name on the package.

It would be so much easier to have an older friend pick gear up at the convenience store for you, like kids do with cigarettes. Maybe there is some info out there about what percentage of teen vapers got their gear online. Unless that's a significant number I don't see any justification for banning online sales.

 

[Rossum]

Unless that's a significant number I don't see any justification for banning online sales.

There's no real justification for any of the stuff that's currently going down.

But that doesn't mean it won't.

 

[mightymen]

There's a thread somewhere that lists the age verification process for probably most of the online vape vendors. Most of them you put in your order then it asks for your date of birth. It uses public records to match your name and DOB, along with your address as given to the vendor. I think some of them get info from the CC company. Some of them ask for a photocopy of your drivers license with the name, photo, and DOB visible. Sometimes a photo with you holding the card up next to your face so they can match the DL photo with your face. Maybe that's how some vendors catch the fakers.

I guess a teen could borrow a parent's card without permission and use tracking to intercept the package before the parent saw it. Or use the option to pick it up instead of having it delivered, though you would need ID matching the name on the package.

It would be so much easier to have an older friend pick gear up at the convenience store for you, like kids do with cigarettes. Maybe there is some info out there about what percentage of teen vapers got their gear online. Unless that's a significant number I don't see any justification for banning online sales.

I do recall reading about that some where. Not accustom to buying flavored liquids myself being I've been DIY for ever so I never had to deal with all that.

IMO: if they want it they'll find a way to get it.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Unless that's a significant number I don't see any justification for banning online sales.

It's government, justification isn't necessary.

 

[Rossum]

What. About. The. Lab. Mice. Tests?
Just PG/VG. But lab mice tests (see thread)..

Are you a man or a mouse, Atty?

 

[Ceejay0875]

There's a thread somewhere that lists the age verification process for probably most of the online vape vendors. Most of them you put in your order then it asks for your date of birth. It uses public records to match your name and DOB, along with your address as given to the vendor. I think some of them get info from the CC company. Some of them ask for a photocopy of your drivers license with the name, photo, and DOB visible. Sometimes a photo with you holding the card up next to your face so they can match the DL photo with your face. Maybe that's how some vendors catch the fakers.

I guess a teen could borrow a parent's card without permission and use tracking to intercept the package before the parent saw it. Or use the option to pick it up instead of having it delivered, though you would need ID matching the name on the package.

It would be so much easier to have an older friend pick gear up at the convenience store for you, like kids do with cigarettes. Maybe there is some info out there about what percentage of teen vapers got their gear online. Unless that's a significant number I don't see any justification for banning online sales.

List of vendors Age Verification requirements.

It's been locked, not sure if any of the vendors have changed what they use by now, but here it is.

 

[Katdarling]

When my youngest started, he was 23, and did it all on his own. In fact, he called to tell me he was buying a BuzzPro to START with, while I was still using a GoGo. At that point (about three months into my vape), I was still deciding between a Buzz, Provi, or a Darwin.

The others were around 30.

So, well, yeah...(YOU know). I was referring specifically to KIDS, not biological/adopted/inherited children.

Can we still say, "Kids"? I've totally lost track of which words we can or can't use.

Check your pronouns at the door, please.

I could ask the very same question about California...

And I'll echo you......... LOUDLY!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kent C]

Can we still say, "Kids"? I've totally lost track of which words we can or can't use.

As a comedian recently commented: 'There used to be 7 words we couldn't say on TV. Now there's 15,000.'

 

[CMD-Ky]

Interesting that one is wise enough to chose our rulers but not wise enough to make a decision on tobacco.

Here's another article about it: Gov. Cuomo bans flavored e-cigarettes in New York after vaping illnesses, deaths

From the article: "Earlier this month, federal and state researchers said they believed the vaping illnesses are connected to a vitamin E acetate found in some illicit cannabis vaping products"



He also recently raised the legal smoking/vaping age to 21. This is absurd. But it's not unlike Cuomo. (source: upstate NY'er)

 

[Tabac man]

Are you a man or a mouse, Atty?

Bloke's just got married and heading off on his honeymoon.

Dad asks ''Son are ya gonna be a man, and do it tonight? Or are ya gonna be a mouse and do it tomorrow night?''
Son replies ''Dad I'm a rat. I did it last night''.

 

[mikepetro]

Vaping: The way you smoke an e-cigarette could make it even more dangerous - CNN

Objectively I cant say I disagree with what this says.

 

[AttyPops]

Are you a man or a mouse, Atty?

Fellow mammal with lungs.
But such studies, as you've said, aren't gospel.

And see Mike's post above. There's a lot of variability in what we do, compared to what some mice were forced to endure in a controlled environment.

 

[Blitzdonlife]

Vaping: The way you smoke an e-cigarette could make it even more dangerous - CNN

Objectively I cant say I disagree with what this says.

That is a well written objective article. There are many downsides to this crisis, but all the public attention is causing these questions to be taken more seriously. I hope to see the results of fact-based studies presented with health in mind in the near future.

 

[DavidOck]

Of course, the problem with studies is that they want to eliminate vaping BEFORE there's time to do them.

 

[Blitzdonlife]

Vaping is not going to die. Even if they ban it or make it illegal people will still vape. Maybe not as many as do now, but there will still be a significant number of us that will continue to vape in private.

The information available falls into three categories. Pro-vaping, anti-vaping, and fact-based. I definitely lean towards pro-vaping because of my bias as a vaper, but I am looking forward to more facts coming out from objective, scientific studies. I hope that the ban is defeated sooner than later so that more researchers are able to conduct these studies.