Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Horselady154]

Well, I googled it and people are out protesting at the Capitol about Trump's flavor ban, but that seems to be it.

Texas vaping advocates protest at state Capitol in response to call for ban

 

[Horselady154]

I saw the post on FaceBook, but I can't find it now. I haven't been saving ALL of them to my timeline.

Lynn Lutz

So, you're a woman? Fooled me. I guess so since you have a naked man on your Facebook. haha

Note: Just teasin' you, Bad.

 

[Rossum]

That article is such trash. juul and their 5% pods really aren't all that satisfying or addicting. I have a Juul I use at work, when I was allowed to vape in the office I was hitting it all day long. Not once did I leave the office and think "Oh I need to hit my Juul." Nope, it was right back to the 6mg juice and big clouds and they were far more satisfying than a Juul ever was. Not once in those 3-4 months did I start craving a Juul over 6mg juice.

Yep, amount of vapor a device produces makes a huge difference, and a Juul doesn't produce much.

I don't do big clouds at all; most people around here would consider me a tootle puffer. I tried a Juul back when they were new to the market in the summer of 2015, my reactions was: More than adequate nic, but too little vapor. I kept it as a handy backup device for quite a while, but never really used much.

 

[Baditude]

Well, I googled it and people are out protesting at the Capitol about Trump's flavor ban, but that seems to be it.
Texas vaping advocates protest at state Capitol in response to call for ban

Since I can't find it, I'll edit my previous post and remove Texas. Wouldn't want to contribute to fake news.

So, you're a woman? Fooled me. I guess so since you have a naked man on your Facebook. haha

If you mean this one, that's not me. I'm more handsome than that.

A woman from New York was driving through a remote part of Arizona when her car broke down. An American Indian on horseback came along and offered her a ride to a nearby town.

She climbed up behind him on the horse and they rode off. The ride was uneventful, except that every few minutes the Indian would let out a Ye-e-e-e-h-a-a-a-a!' so loud that it echoed from the surrounding hills and canyon walls.

When they arrived in town, he let her off at the local service station, yelled one final 'Ye-e-e-e-h-a-a-a-a!' and rode off.

"What did you do to get that Indian so excited?" asked the service-station attendant. "Nothing," the woman answered "I merely sat behind him on the horse, put my arms around his waist, and held onto the saddle horn so I wouldn't fall off."

"Lady," the attendant said, "Indians don't use saddles."

 

[Horselady154]

Almost gave me a heart attack. Glad there are no bans, here, yet.

 

[Horselady154]

And then there is this: Senators Urging FDA to Ban Hardware in Bi-Partisan Voice

That would fit nicely into the theory that Juul will be the only one left standing, because it's closed pod. I'm not forgetting the article where it said 3 of Trump's staff had left and are now working for Juul.

 

[Rossum]

Add Florida to the list.
Florida Bill Proposal Banning Flavored E-Cigarettes

Any legislator can introduce a bill to do pretty much anything. Chances are good this will be referred to some committee and die there. Florida has a lot of older vapers...

 

[Horselady154]

If you mean this one, that's not me. I'm more handsome than that.

Nope. Not the one.

Just teasin' you, Bad.

 

[Rossum]

That would fit nicely into the theory that Juul will be the only one left standing, because it's closed pod. I'm not forgetting the article where it said 3 of Trump's staff had left and are now working for Juul.

The notion that Juul would be one of the only ones left on the (legal) market after the PMTA deadline has been around for quite some time; well before the current fracas.

 

[zoiDman]

...

And then there is this: Senators Urging FDA to Ban Hardware in Bi-Partisan Voice

"Bi-Partisan" is a Funny term.

Exactly How Many Senators on the Left and How Many on the Right Support the FDA doing what Most Agree the FDA does Not have the Power to do?

 

[Baditude]

Nope. Not the one.

The only naked man on my FaceBook is this meme from a Game of Thrones fansite.

 

[440BB]

So, you're a woman? Fooled me. I guess so since you have a naked man on your Facebook. haha

I'm not here to judge the gender Baditude self-identifies with. Just a vaper to me.

 

[Rossum]

"Bi-Partisan" is a Funny term.

Exactly How Many Senators on the Left and How Many on the Right Support the FDA doing what Most Agree the FDA does Not have the Power to do?

Oh come now, if you have at least one Senator from each party pushing something, it's "bi-partisan" these days.

 

[Rossum]

I'm not here to judge the gender Baditude self-identifies with. Just a vaper to me.

Well, given the beard, ze probably doesn't identify as a woman.

 

[Katya]

Personally, I think we have as much to fear from states cracking down as we do the feds. MI and NY vapers would agree. More to come?

Gov. Gavin Newsom announces executive order to curb youth vaping

 

[Horselady154]

The notion that Juul would be one of the only ones left on the (legal) market after the PMTA deadline has been around for quite some time; well before the current fracas.

Yeah, I know, Rossum, but the stage appears to be being set for that to come to fruition.

 

[AttyPops]

And then there is this: Senators Urging FDA to Ban Hardware in Bi-Partisan Voice

I'm not sure I can think of a better way to say "Hand it all over to BT and BP, and no DIY juice allowed" than that.

Talk about cornering the market.

Wow.

Just wow.

My main concern is the RBA decks that I have to stock up on now, and for reasonable prices.
Frack. Just frack.

Frack.

Let's hope sanity prevails.

 

[440BB]

A bipartisan avalanche. It's interesting how people come together when there's something to hate.

Even if it's not the right thing.

 

[zoiDman]

Gov. Gavin Newsom announces executive order to curb youth vaping

I... am Actually Surprised that Newsom has taken the approach that he has. Almost shows some Legal Restraint.

Newsom said he personally wants to ban the sale of flavored e-cigarettes, but that California laws and regulations prevent his ability to do so without legislative action.

“It appears a governor alone is not afforded the right legally to ban those products outright,” Newsom said. “We’d need legislative support. We’re pushing the envelope, we’ll see how far we can go ... I’m hopeful we can find a pathway to do just that, in the absence of any legislative push.”

Gov. Gavin Newsom announces executive order to curb youth vaping

 

[Rossum]

Personally, I think we have as much to fear from states cracking down as we do the feds. MI and NY vapers would agree. More to come?

States do not have the power to prevent one from ordering from an overseas vendor. They can't even prevent you from getting in your car and driving to another state to buy what you want. Heck, look at NYC where traditional cigarettes have been subject to outrageous taxation for many years now and as a result, more than half the cigs consumed there are brought in "informally".

Depending on the resources put into enforcement, a federal ban has the potential to be far worse. And unless something unexpected happens (which strikes me as unlikely given the current atmosphere), we're getting what amounts to a federal ban next May...