Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

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I am Happy to see that Polyvinyl Acetate is still being used as an Adhesive in HEET's. At least the ones sold in the UK.

Making Heated Tobacco Products

My motto when I Smoked was "A Day without Polyvinyl Acetates is like a Day without Cigarettes!".

LOL
Meanwhile, in the UK market, they make (sealed) vape products:
E-Cigarettes

We have now launched our next generation e-vapor product platform that we call iqos MESH. The heating technology behind iqos mesh is a completely new approach to e-vapor generation. It uses a metallic mesh punctured with tiny holes to heat a pre-filled, pre-sealed e-liquid cap (called VEEV) that contains pharmaceutical-grade nicotine and flavors. In each VEEV cap, there is a new MESH heater, eliminating the need to manually replace it. The consumer activates the heating process by pressing on a button. As the heater is in contact with the e-liquid in the cap, it heats the e-liquid to generate a nicotine-containing vapor.

See also:
STEEM

This is a chemical reaction that makes nic salts to be inhaled. Interesting. No battery? IDK.
 

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Meanwhile, in the UK market, they make (sealed) vape products:
E-Cigarettes



See also:
STEEM

This is a chemical reaction that makes nic salts to be inhaled. Interesting. No battery? IDK.

BT has Clearly Read the Writing on the Wall. Combustible Tobacco Isn't the Main Road Forward.

Whereas Smoking will Never be completely supplanted. Growth, Dominance and Continued High Profits will come from Emerging and Future Products.

And BT is the Undisputed Master of the Long Game.
 

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Cross post from here: 7th person has died from vaping

At the current moment, I'm thinking it's a market driven thing (as in big money).

See Zoid's post starting here:
Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!
and mine later down.

So it's a back-room deal between Wall Street investors, big tobacco, and maybe big pharma. In order to get PMI and others to give up tobacco cigs, they have to make a deal. <<--- read that again, important.

Tobacco is a legal protected thing. Cigs too.
So what to do? If they want to ban cigs, they have to do TWO things: give an alternative AND importantly get the participation of BT. BT is already immune from more suits, and you can only educate so much. So what to do?

Give them the vaping/gadget market and TRADE it for the cig market. So they produce (and get a lock on) the vape/heat/veep/xyz products with rigorous testing and qualification requirements, produce their patented products that get produced while the other stuff gets vilified and is "untested".

So it's a TRADE. It's a DEAL. Dollars. Money (and investors and BT) talks. And frankly, they have the $$$ to acquire and/or test however they need to if they own the marketplace.

That post with links to their site about their "tech" and a "smoke free future" I made was really educational for me.

And it makes sense that avid non-smokers, ANTZ, etc. would hop onto whatever hype as leverage, hastening the transition to a "smoke free future". Whereas in the UK market, they compete in the vape area....with flavors.

So the unstated goal here, isn't actually anti-vape, it's anti-cig, with the grass-roots vape industry as a casualty of war.
 

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All these products represent a continuum of risk. Putting aside the politics for a moment, a person should use the least risky product that works for them. Ideally, that's quitting cold turkey and using no product at all. All of us have tried that at one point or another, and failed. So we use the least risky product that worked for us e-cigs. Us looking askance at people who use IQOS is no different that the cold-turkey crowd looking askance at us.
You know, I managed to stop cold turkey once. Stayed off cigs for almost a full year. I was so happy, so proud of myself. Then my mom died. It was pain like I've never known. I was back on cigs within the hour.

I'm 100% confident now that if I were to quit e-cigs, then have such a stressful moment "drive" me back to nicotine, I would simply go back to e-cigs - not cigarettes. That's the beauty of them for me personally. Game. Set. Match. Something I never thought possible. A feeling/knowledge I never experienced when quitting cold turkey.

Sorry if it's off-topic. I just love e-cigs so much. They've improved my life significantly. I know that's true for all of us and it's why we're fighting for future vapers.
 

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You know, I managed to stop cold turkey once. Stayed off cigs for almost a full year. I was so happy, so proud of myself. Then my mom died. It was pain like I've never known. I was back on cigs within the hour.

I'm 100% confident now that if I were to quit e-cigs, then have such a stressful moment "drive" me back to nicotine, I would simply go back to e-cigs - not cigarettes. That's the beauty of them for me personally. Game. Set. Match. Something I never thought possible. A feeling/knowledge I never experienced when quitting cold turkey.

Sorry if it's off-topic. I just love e-cigs so much. They've improved my life significantly. I know that's true for all of us and it's why we're fighting for future vapers.

To me, this seems most "on topic".
 

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@Akexander Mundy, could you please post in the Cannabis forum? Members have been complaining that posts and videos about cannabis products are supposed to be posted there. Thank you. :)

BTW. Interesting posts.

No problem, but sticking our heads in the sand about the "vaping" crisis seems the last thing we should be doing now. Without such discussion how can we even hope to persuade the public we meet about what's going on?
 

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No problem, but sticking our heads in the sand about the "vaping" crisis seems the last thing we should be doing now. Without such discussion how can we even hope to persuade the public we meet about what's going on?

I Don't think Anyone is calling for Anyone to stick their head(s) in the sand.

But this is a Deeming thread.

And Isn't that why the ECF decided to Open a Cannabis Sub-Forum. So posts like yours, which BTW I did find informative, can be Discussed Freely?
 

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Yes, it's a Deeming thread. But strictly speaking, much of this thread, for a long time, has had little to do with Deeming. It's become probably the main thread to discuss vaping legislation, which is, or should be most vapers' primary concern right now. My preference would be to let the mods decide if it needs to be moved. Especially with the (at best) spotty notifications given, a lot of good info would get buried over there unless you went looking for it.
 

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@Akexander Mundy, could you please post in the Cannabis forum? Members have been complaining that posts and videos about cannabis products are supposed to be posted there. Thank you. :)

BTW. Interesting posts.
We are being maligned by the media over and over again by obvious obfuscation of facts...If you cannot discuss the topic at hand then it is like going into the ring with Mike Tyson with one hand tied behind your back.
 

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We are being maligned by the media over and over again by obvious obfuscation of facts...If you cannot discuss the topic at hand then it is like going into the ring with Mike Tyson with one hand tied behind your back.
While I agree, the cannabis forum was created, to my understanding, to discuss the use of cannabis in a separate area. I'm not a moderator, so I'll step aside.
 
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Being the "Deeming thread" I did edit my posts. We will have to agree to disagree that discussion of such things can only be in a certain part of the forum any more than discussion of squonking can only be in the liquid fed area or DIY can only be in the DIY area.
 

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