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Washington DC needs ethnic cleansing. Remove everyone inside of DC and Northern VA and replaced them all. First legislation from the new legislators should be to enact single term limits and ban political contributions and lobbying and the party system and repealing the 17th amendment that eliminated state legislatures from appointing their state senators and made them subject to popular elections (which in effect made them national representatives instead of state representatives).
 

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Washington DC needs ethnic cleansing. Remove everyone inside of DC and Northern VA and replaced them all. First legislation from the new legislators should be to enact single term limits and ban political contributions and lobbying and the party system and repealing the 17th amendment that eliminated state legislatures from appointing their state senators and made them subject to popular elections (which in effect made them national representatives instead of state representatives).

Some good ideas there. I never even heard of the 17th Amendment. Interesting. Don't get why that change would be better, or worse. This isn't really the place for me to get educated so I'll take a look around when I get a chance. Got any good links?
 

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Some good ideas there. I never even heard of the 17th Amendment. Interesting. Don't get why that change would be better, or worse. This isn't really the place for me to get educated so I'll take a look around when I get a chance. Got any good links?
No links. I've always felt the 17th amendment was a bad idea. It sort of corrupts the 10th amendment outlining state's rights. The federal gov't is entirely too large and too intrusive. The states are nothing but pawns and this is exactly opposite of the Constitution's intent. I'm sure you can do a search to look up 17th amendment info and find plenty.
 

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Some good ideas there. I never even heard of the 17th Amendment. Interesting. Don't get why that change would be better, or worse. This isn't really the place for me to get educated so I'll take a look around when I get a chance. Got any good links?
Our Founders wanted us to be largely self-governed. And any government that did exist, they wanted close to us, so that we could keep close watch on it and toss the people out if needed. Accordingly, they put constraints on what the federal government was allowed to do.. ie. the enumerated powers in the Constitution that they completely ignore nowaday. Most of any governing was to happen at the state and local levels, with most of it being us making our own decisions and being responsible for our actions.

As far as the federal government goes, the way they set it up, the House of Reps was who we needed to keep watch on. They were given the purse strings and only had a 2 year term so that we could kick them out, if they weren't doing a good job. The Senate was to be an extension of our state governments. They were appointed by the state legislators and were to represent each state's interest. If they didn't do that, they could be yanked out by the state legislators and replaced. We citizens focused on our state legislators and accordingly threw them out if they were not doing as they should. This gave a continuity from our states and what happened at the federal level. The state governments were much more powerful than the federal government, because they were closer to us and easier to toss out when needed. With the 17th Amendment, the hook between state and federal was removed and now we have a federal government that believes they are god-like and can do any damn thing they want.

Anyway, that was the idea and it was a good one. Hope I did a decent job of explaining the highlights.
 
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Our Founders wanted us to be largely self-governed. They put constraints on what the federal government was allowed to do.. ie. the enumerated powers in the Constitution that they completely ignore nowaday. Most of any governing was to happen at the state and local levels, with most of it being us making our own decisions and being responsible for our actions.

As far as the federal government goes, the way they set it up, the House of Reps was who we needed to keep watch on. They were given the purse strings and only had a 2 year term so that we could kick them out, if they weren't doing a good job. The Senate was to be an extension of our state governments. They were appointed by the state legislators and were to represent each state's interest. If they didn't do that, they could be yanked out by the state legislators and replaced. We citizens focused on our state legislators and accordingly threw them out if they were not doing as they should. This gave a continuity from our states and what happened at the federal level. The state governments were much more powerful than the federal government, because they were closer to us and easier to toss out when needed. With the 17th Amendment, the hook between state and federal was removed and now we have a federal government that believes they are god-like and can do any damn thing they want.

And, imo, State gov't is more hidden/less transparent vs. local and the feds, as a result. It was the Senate connection that put more attention on the State.
 

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And, imo, State gov't is more hidden/less transparent vs. local and the feds, as a result. It was the Senate connection that put more attention on the State.
It's more hidden because it's citizens believe it is the federal government who impacts their lives far more than their state governments. Because they do.
 

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Our Founders wanted us to be largely self-governed. And any government that did exist, they wanted close to us, so that we could keep close watch on it and toss the people out if needed. Accordingly, they put constraints on what the federal government was allowed to do.. ie. the enumerated powers in the Constitution that they completely ignore nowaday. Most of any governing was to happen at the state and local levels, with most of it being us making our own decisions and being responsible for our actions.

As far as the federal government goes, the way they set it up, the House of Reps was who we needed to keep watch on. They were given the purse strings and only had a 2 year term so that we could kick them out, if they weren't doing a good job. The Senate was to be an extension of our state governments. They were appointed by the state legislators and were to represent each state's interest. If they didn't do that, they could be yanked out by the state legislators and replaced. We citizens focused on our state legislators and accordingly threw them out if they were not doing as they should. This gave a continuity from our states and what happened at the federal level. The state governments were much more powerful than the federal government, because they were closer to us and easier to toss out when needed. With the 17th Amendment, the hook between state and federal was removed and now we have a federal government that believes they are god-like and can do any damn thing they want.

Anyway, that was the idea and it was a good one. Hope I did a decent job of explaining the highlights.
Excellent interpretation. The only thing I would add is that one of the reasons the founders wanted strong states (there were several) is that they foresaw (in today's case) 50 government experiments going on at the same time. States would try to implement policy in different ways for different purposes. Some would surely fail and others would succeed. But the states could learn from one another what worked and what didn't work. We lose all of that now when the federal government takes our money and issues block grants with mandates attached.
 

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And, imo, State gov't is more hidden/less transparent vs. local and the feds, as a result. It was the Senate connection that put more attention on the State.
Yeah, very few pay attention to what their state government is up to. Just ask someone you meet about the government. They will start talking about the federal government. They
Excellent interpretation. The only thing I would add is that one of the reasons the founders wanted strong states (there were several) is that they foresaw (in today's case) 50 government experiments going on at the same time. States would try to implement policy in different ways for different purposes. Some would surely fail and others would succeed. But the states could learn from one another what worked and what didn't work. We lose all of that now when the federal government takes our money and issues block grants with mandates attached.
Excellent point. Yes. 50 test beds of liberty.
 

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It's more hidden because it's citizens believe it is the federal government who impacts their lives far more than their state governments. Because they do.

They all have an impact but nat'l medial and local medial tend to be more focused on their respective points of view. A few exceptions...
 
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What happened to the "Land of the Free"? We are becoming a totalitarian regime. States and Federal.
Unfortunately this stuff isn't new or limited to ecigarettes. I love this country very much, but we are not as free as we once were here and it keeps getting worse.
 

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This is corporate maneuvering. Pure and simple. I'd rather see more MAOI juice options than iQOS.
I've often wondered why BT hasn't come out with juice (or even a closed system vapor product) that has the MAOIs and minor alkaloids.

There are two things that prevent an easy transition from smoking to vaping: Vapor from a liquid will never taste like the smoke from a cigarette, and the lack of the MAOIs and minor alkaloids. The latter is why most people trying to switch still have cravings for a real cigarette for a while.

I would have thought that BT, with all the research they've done over the past decades would understand this.
 

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I'm not fond of iQOS simply due to 1) It's full of chemicals
And flavored e-liquids aren't? Do you have any idea how many different chemicals are in an artificial strawberry flavor?

2) it's a patent lock on the industry while destroying/vilifying e-cigs. And THAT is a problem.
I'm not sure how tight that patent lock is. There are a number of markets where BAT's GLO competes openly with PMI's IQOS.
 

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I've often wondered why BT hasn't come out with juice (or even a closed system vapor product) that has the MAOIs and minor alkaloids.

There are two things that prevent an easy transition from smoking to vaping: Vapor from a liquid will never taste like the smoke from a cigarette, and the lack of the MAOIs and minor alkaloids. The latter is why most people trying to switch still have cravings for a real cigarette for a while.

I would have thought that BT, with all the research they've done over the past decades would understand this.
Agree. With all the resources BT has they could engineer and market test the hell out of these products and zero in on what products work.
 

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